So who really is the #1 P4P best of all times?

[Suckmedry]

Does there have to be a #1 p4p of all time? It is contentious enough coming up with a current #1, nevermind throughout history.

Valid point, but in my opinion and that of many others, there just has never been a man that embodied the perfect fighting machine like Ray Robinson did.

[Humean]

Valid point, but in my opinion and that of many others, there just has never been a man that embodied the perfect fighting machine like Ray Robinson did.

I think in terms of his fighting qualities Robinson gets overrated, not because he wasn't fantastic, but because he gets treated as if he was some sort of God rather than a flesh and blood human being. Like every fighter that has ever lived Robinson was not perfect. I do think that his career might well have been the best, for it mixed in a lot of ingredients that plenty of great fighters didn't possess, including fighting, at least by my current reckoning, more 'world level' opponents than anyone else: 41 and most 'world level' wins: 49. However there has been a lot of great fighters.

[REMOVE SHARK 55]

I'm the king of the world, I am the greatest, I’m Muhammed Ali, I shook up the world, I am the greatest, I'm king of the world, I'm pretty, I'm pretty, I'm a baaaad man, you heard me I'm a baaad man, Archie Moore fell in four, Liston wanted me more, so since he's so great, I'm a make him fall in eight, I'm a baaad man, I'm king of the world! I'm 22 years old and ain’t gotta mark on my face, I'm pretty, I easily survived six rounds with that ugly bear, because I am the greatest. - Muhammad Ali

[Easy Work.]

Yeah its either ALI or robinson no doubt

[Suckmedry]

I think in terms of his fighting qualities Robinson gets overrated, not because he wasn't fantastic, but because he gets treated as if he was some sort of God rather than a flesh and blood human being. Like every fighter that has ever lived Robinson was not perfect. I do think that his career might well have been the best, for it mixed in a lot of ingredients that plenty of great fighters didn't possess, including fighting, at least by my current reckoning, more 'world level' opponents than anyone else: 41 and most 'world level' wins: 49. However there has been a lot of great fighters.

Absolutely true, just from my pov as a boxing fan, robinsons style trumps every other, you cant go to war with him, he's too fast, way too powerful and his chin is rock solid.

You aren't going to outbox him, he's too fast and too long. Too talented basically.

And he had a great brain behind all this. He knew when to box and when to go to war, and he mostly went to war because guys couldn't trade with him, he's simply too fast and powerful.

Im basing this on some of my own boxing experience too, its suicide trading shots with big puncher who has fast hands. Your gonna get eaten.

And you cant outbox a 5"11 welterweight (and remembering with same day weigh ins ray would have been at 135 for a little longer..) with world class jab, speed and movement, you gotta go after him and knock him out...and then Robinsons power comes back into play.

The only guy who could outbox ray is Tommy hearns imo. Ray would have to go after him and knock his ass out. Tommy trumps him in reach and almost matches him for speed, with one of the greatest jabs ever.

[jherriges1]

Henry Armstrong

I would say Henry Armstrong. When comparing boxers from the past to the present, you have to take into account that boxing is very different today. Armstrong is the iron man of boxing. Take a look at his record: 150-21-10. He had 101 KOs. That's nuts.

[AntonTheMeh]

what's wrong with what he said? that's basically what ali was without the punching power.