Where does Archie Moore rank among goat?

[IronDanHamza]

I usually have moore around 14-16


SRR
Ali
Armstrong
SRL
Ezzard
Louis
pep
duran
Langford
Greb
leonard
hagler
Burley
Pernell
Tunney
Moore


Not really in proper order, but off the top of my head, its something like that
and im probably leaving off a name or 2...

Moore is somwhere for me between 14-25 with the likes of floyd, manny, roy, hearns, monzon

He is a lock for top 25,, most likely top 20, i just dont think he cracks top 10, and depending on your criteria, he is somewhere in the teens...

Like i said before, i dont have a problem if someone has him at 6, but thats not how i rank him...

There ain't no way Mayweather, Pacquaio or Hearns are next to Archie Moore.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

There ain't no way Mayweather, Pacquaio or Hearns are next to Archie Moore.

Thats fine if you think that, but moore's resume isnt that far superior to theirs..

He lost to the best fighters he ever faced more times than he won.. He got beat by burley, ezzard, etc...

I think moore gets extra credit by people because he hit big later in his career, much like hopkins, but if you look at the totality of the career, i dont think it comes anywhere near guys in the top 10..

Moore was basically a james toney caliber fighter that could give anyone trouble, but most of the time when matched vs another great fighter he lost..

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Don't really see these similarities.

Moore beat a lot of good fighters, great fighters. Glen Johnson barely beat any.

Which guys doesn't he warrant do you think?

I mean you have Pep above him. How does he rank above Moore? I don't get it.

Burley, Hagler, Whitaker. I can't see how they're ahead or Moore.

I can see Moore being outside the Top 10 but I can't see how he's outside the Top 15.

My list wasnt in any sort of order...

I usually have pep 12 or 13 and moore at 14

Pep dominated a weight class... Moore was never dominant like that....

Burley beat moore, did he not, unless im mistaken... So i dont get how you can have moore ahead of him, when burley clearly beat him... it would be like have hopkins in front of jones, even though jones clearly beat him..

Hagler and whittaker had much better runs....


Maybe im missing something about moore, but he seems to have lost more times than not vs elite caliber fighters

[Sugar Adam Ali]

As for the glen johnson similarities,, everyone who mentioned it, made clear that moore was a better fighter,, no one is trying to say that they are in the same league..

The similarities are that both kinda bounced around till mid 30s and won some big fights and titles.... To say their career trajectory is not similar is not accurate or your clearly missing the point

[IronDanHamza]

Thats fine if you think that, but moore's resume isnt that far superior to theirs..

He lost to the best fighters he ever faced more times than he won.. He got beat by burley, ezzard, etc...

I think moore gets extra credit by people because he hit big later in his career, much like hopkins, but if you look at the totality of the career, i dont think it comes anywhere near guys in the top 10..

Moore was basically a james toney caliber fighter that could give anyone trouble, but most of the time when matched vs another great fighter he lost..

His resume is clearly superior to theirs. Clearly.

He lost to the best fighters more than he won?

He lost to Charles 3 times (Arguably the best fighter ever)
Lost to Burley once
Lost to Booker once
Lost to Williams once
Lost to Johnson once.

Beat Johnson 4 times
Beat Maxim 3 times
Beat Williams once
Beat Marshall twice
Beat Lytell once

I think that's more big wins than he has big loss's.

To say most of the times he faced an ATG he lost is plain silly.

Johnson is an ATG and he beat him 4 out of 5 times.

He went 1-1 with Holman Williams.

0-1 Burley, 0-1-1 with Booker.


His resume is exceptional even before his incredible feats at the age of 40 and over and his solid wins at HW when well beyond his prime.

[Holywarrior]

I usually have moore around 14-16


SRR
Ali
Armstrong
SRL
Ezzard
Louis
pep
duran
Langford
Greb
leonard
hagler
Burley
Pernell
Tunney
Moore


Not really in proper order, but off the top of my head, its something like that
and im probably leaving off a name or 2...

Moore is somwhere for me between 14-25 with the likes of floyd, manny, roy, hearns, monzon

He is a lock for top 25,, most likely top 20, i just dont think he cracks top 10, and depending on your criteria, he is somewhere in the teens...

Like i said before, i dont have a problem if someone has him at 6, but thats not how i rank him...

I have a hard time seeing guys like Tunney, Hagler or Ray Leonard over Archie. I think Mickey Walker deserves a top 15 mention as well.

[Holywarrior]

His resume is clearly superior to theirs. Clearly.

He lost to the best fighters more than he won?

He lost to Charles 3 times (Arguably the best fighter ever)
Lost to Burley once
Lost to Booker once
Lost to Williams once

Beat Johnson 4 times
Beat Maxim 3 times
Beat Williams once
Beat Marshall twice
Beat Lytell once

I think that's more big wins than he has big loss's.

To say most of the times he faced an ATG he lost is plain silly.

Johnson is an ATG and he beat him 4 out of 5 times.

He went 1-1 with Holman Williams.

0-1 Burley, 0-1-1 with Booker.


His resume is exceptional even before his incredible feats at the age of 40 and over and his solid wins at HW when well beyond his prime.

Bivins is another underrated win for Moore.

[IronDanHamza]

My list wasnt in any sort of order...

I usually have pep 12 or 13 and moore at 14

Pep dominated a weight class... Moore was never dominant like that....

Pep dominated against sub par oppositon for the most part.

Calzaghe and Ottke dominated a division, many fighters dominate a division.

Moore beat ATG's multiple times and also one of, if not the greatest LHW of all time.

Burley beat moore, did he not, unless im mistaken... So i dont get how you can have moore ahead of him, when burley clearly beat him

So? What does that mean?

Cocoa Kid went 8-3 against Holman Williams. Who do you rank higher? Cocoa Kid beat Williams 8 times.

He also went 1-0 with Booker. Who ranks higher?

Saddler beat Pep 3 out of 4 times but Pep's in your Top 10 and Saddler's not in your Top 20.

Burley beat Moore once. But Moore pretty clearly has a much better resume and career.

Hagler and whittaker had much better runs....

Who cares about their "Runs"? What is a "Run"?

Nonito Donaire had a better "Run" than Moore.

Moore's resume is much better than both Hagler's and Whitakers.

Maybe im missing something about moore, but he seems to have lost more times than not vs elite caliber fighters

Again, false.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Pep dominated against sub par oppositon for the most part.

Calzaghe and Ottke dominated a division, many fighters dominate a division.

Moore beat ATG's multiple times and also one of, if not the greatest LHW of all time.

Pep is widely considered one of the best fighters of the lower weights and shouldnt be compared to the watered down divisions that calzaghe and ottke dominated..

So? What does that mean?

Cocoa Kid went 8-3 against Holman Williams. Who do you rank higher? Cocoa Kid beat Williams 8 times.

He also went 1-0 with Booker. Who ranks higher?

Im not talking about any of those guys,, what does that have to do with moore...
Moore lost to burley and Ezzard, hence why i rank them higher.. Other random fighters like holman and booker are another debate entirely..

Saddler beat Pep 3 out of 4 times but Pep's in your Top 10 and Saddler's not in your Top 20.

Burley beat Moore once. But Moore pretty clearly has a much better resume and career.

Saddler beat pep later in his career, and styles make matchups, and the overall career of pep is better than saddlers... And when did i list my top 20.. I didnt so dont put words in my mouth about saddler, i just named off the top 14 guys and even said it was off the top of my head and im probably leaving off some people

Who cares about their "Runs"? What is a "Run"?

Nonito Donaire had a better "Run" than Moore.

Moore's resume is much better than both Hagler's and Whitakers.

Why are you bringing up donaire... Your using alot of strawman arguements..
A run would be SRL beating beneitz, duran, hearns and Kalule in about a 2 year period.. Something that Moore was never able to do

Again, false.

No, your wrong,, the best fighters he faced where burley and ezzard, and he lost to both,, you can name all the other guys you want, but bottomline is, the best fighters he fought he lost to.....
Any of the wins that moore has, none of those fighters are as good as Burley and Ezzard... So once again, the best fighters he fought, he lost to

[Holywarrior]

Pep dominated against sub par oppositon for the most part.

Calzaghe and Ottke dominated a division, many fighters dominate a division.

Moore beat ATG's multiple times and also one of, if not the greatest LHW of all time.




So? What does that mean?

Cocoa Kid went 8-3 against Holman Williams. Who do you rank higher? Cocoa Kid beat Williams 8 times.

He also went 1-0 with Booker. Who ranks higher?

Saddler beat Pep 3 out of 4 times but Pep's in your Top 10 and Saddler's not in your Top 20.

Burley beat Moore once. But Moore pretty clearly has a much better resume and career.

Bivins beat Burley...I wonder where he rates Bivins? Some odd logic in here.