Is Muhammad Ali the #1 Heavyweight of all time?

[Elroy1]

In fact a similarity that Muhammad Ali shares with LL, WK and VK is that all 4 of them significantly out-talled most of their opponents and it was evident in their styles.

Muhammad, like the giant boxer-punchers of the modern eras, used his range with his speed to land on his opponents at distance and get at a safe distance before return fire. He did not like and was not effective in close and would hug if that occurred many a times.

Were it not for Muhammad's height and reach, he would largely resemble Jerry Quarry in style, a good boxer also but not nearly as successful because he couldn't avoid a scrap so easily.

What do you think?

I think he remarkably shares these qualities with the recent champs.

[M Bison]

Why don't you stick to mentally masturbating about Pacquiao and Floyd "stans" up in that mental ward in NSB like you do best and leave boxing history to the people who respect it and know something about it. Any one of the legit posters in this section have forgotten more about the sport than you've ever known, you pathetic worm. That's all you're getting from me, kid.

You respect it because you can't take into consideration that other boxers from the past couldn't lose to guys of the present?
The only kid here is you, you're getting all flustered up and upset over others not holding a similar opinion to you, what are you 12?

Boxing will always be subjective in near enough every manner and If you can't accept that I think that you've got the wrong sport.

Also you brought no point to the argument... pretty pathetic If you ask me.

[LacedUp]

You respect it because you can't take into consideration that other boxers from the past couldn't lose to guys of the present?
The only kid here is you, you're getting all flustered up and upset over others not holding a similar opinion to you, what are you 12?

Boxing will always be subjective in near enough every manner and If you can't accept that I think that you've got the wrong sport.

Also you brought no point to the argument... pretty pathetic If you ask me.

[M Bison]

In fact a similarity that Muhammad Ali shares with LL, WK and VK is that all 4 of them significantly out-talled most of their opponents and it was evident in their styles.

Muhammad, like the giant boxer-punchers of the modern eras, used his range with his speed to land on his opponents at distance and get at a safe distance before return fire. He did not like and was not effective in close and would hug if that occurred many a times.

Were it not for Muhammad's height and reach, he would largely resemble Jerry Quarry in style, a good boxer also but not nearly as successful because he couldn't avoid a scrap so easily.

What do you think?

I think he remarkably shares these qualities with the recent champs.

Yes in ways, his stamina/conditioning is better than LL, WK and VK.

You could argue VK for having a better chin and equal amount of heart to Ali.

What would be intriguing is the fight style Ali would have to take to beating either of those three and could it work?

He'll always have speed on his side but he necessarily wont have the range, he couldn't afford to have a tear up with any of those three so he would definitely need to be on the move for 12rds, no rope-a-doping against those three it wont finish well.

[M Bison]

I know you will have to stand up for Ali with that ****ty tattoo on your shoulder

LacedUp be like yo I'm gunna roll about in da hood with my tank top and hopefully some homies will wanna fist bump with me cuz my ink

[Suckmedry]

I don't care for your insults LacedUp or accusations. I think I'm trying to be pretty fair here and respectful.

You think that it's a remote idea that maybe size might be a factor and only the heavyweightblog author would ever use it to justify an opinion?

Size matters in any contact sport or any fight in real life. It isn't deterministic but it certainly plays a huge role.

Muhammad's opponents were around 200lbs on the average. What do you think would happen if Lennox Lewis or Wladimir Klitschko fought someone that small?

When he took on Mormeck he was abused. Yet Mormeck was basically the same weight as prime George Foreman and even more conditioned. Even Eddie Chambers weighed 210lbs, almost the same weight as "prime" Ali. This was Wladimir's smallest opponent.

6'3" was tall back then, Ali out-talled nearly all his opponents, today it is an average height. 215lbs was a big HW back then, today it is about as small as HW's get. That's just common sense, you are trying to make Ali bigger than he was.

Anyhow, you asked me to provide examples of Lewis/Wlad opponents that would be maybe too big for Ali to handle. I tell you I am not going to do that, because I know where it leads and I definitely do not want to go down the garden path, you will just abuse me for suggesting any boxer I pick I can see that.

If we can't have a serious discussion about it with due respect then we might as well drop it.

All I can say is why start the thread if you can't tolerate any debate?

If you still REALLY want to debate it, we could do it in inbox off the history section right? Friends now lol

You start to talk some sense when you say size is a factor but isn't deterministic (is that a word lol) but then you just go on and wank over size some more. News flash bro, mormeck isn't ali. Chambers isn't Ali. Neither of those guys have the speed, the mobility, the chin and most importantly the heart and boxing brain of Muhammad Ali.

You guys need to actually watch an Ali fight ffs, and not one of him post exile.

Ali in the 60s was a freak. He's literally one of the fastest fighters ever. And that's in a literal sense. Not pound for pound. That is how damn fast the guy was.

Just think about that, and what that means when we're talking heavyweights. A guy at hw that can move that fast is the equivalent of a flyweight who can punch way above his weight. It sets them apart from everyone else, and gives a huge advantage because they are possessing a physical ability not common for their size.

[LacedUp]

I know you will have to stand up for Ali with that ****ty tattoo on your shoulder

LacedUp be like yo I'm gunna roll about in da hood with my tank top and hopefully some homies will wanna fist bump with me cuz my ink

Wow, is that really the best you can do?

That was so bad it's unreal.

[M Bison]

Wow, is that really the best you can do?

That was so bad it's unreal.

Yo homie can I join yo crip dawg?



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[Elroy1]

When Ali was lean and fit he weighed from sub 200 (Cruiser) to 210lbs

When Ali weighed what we would today consider a "SMALL" HW he was chubby.

In fact Ali's workouts were all of the "distance" variety, HITT training was not common in those days, he did not do all his sprints as we'd say today. And it shows in his body. Even when fit, he was a "skinny/fat", i.e. he never really had a 6-pack, was never really ripped like a modern boxer. (Except Arreola etc of course)

Speaking of Arreola he was 6'4". You also neglected to include the "weight" the most important part of size for those boxers you listed. The smallest by weight is...

Bryant Jennings. The smallest current HW boxer in the top 10 is by far heavier AND leaner AND fitter than ANY boxer of the 1960's or 1970's that was a serious competitor. That's just how it is.

LacedUp has completely manufactured an entire story for Muhammad here and bashing all that came after, all of which is simply not true!



He was a great champion but I would be very hesitant in calling him the "greatest".

As for those pictures Weltsch... LOL No comment necessary =P

[LacedUp]

When Ali was lean and fit he weighed from sub 200 (Cruiser) to 210lbs

When Ali weighed what we would today consider a "SMALL" HW he was chubby.

In fact Ali's workouts were all of the "distance" variety, HITT training was not common in those days, he did not do all his sprints as we'd say today. And it shows in his body. Even when fit, he was a "skinny/fat", i.e. he never really had a 6-pack, was never really ripped like a modern boxer. (Except Arreola etc of course)

Speaking of Arreola he was 6'4". You also neglected to include the "weight" the most important part of size for those boxers you listed. The smallest by weight is...

Bryant Jennings. The smallest current HW boxer in the top 10 is by far heavier AND leaner AND fitter than ANY boxer of the 1960's or 1970's that was a serious competitor. That's just how it is.

LacedUp has completely manufactured an entire story for Muhammad here and bashing all that came after, all of which is simply not true!



He was a great champion but I would be very hesitant in calling him the "greatest".

As for those pictures Weltsch... LOL No comment necessary =P

Why don't you put that in your blog?