Who thinks the FIRST clay-liston fight was fixed?

[Southpaw Stinger]

You don't need to look at rankings in ring magazine. Just watching the fight you can see that Louis is far from his best. There was time where he kept Marciano at bay with his long reach, but he didn't have the stamina to keep up any type of pace by which to win. Louis was overweight and slow by the time of the fight. Louis had no real heart by which to win either, he was fighting for money, not to win or prove himself.

Louis wins over other boxers just shows how poor the competition was at that time. Forget rankings and magazines, watch the fight and see what an ill miss match it was.

[Brockton Lip]

Louis stated that he could never have defeated Marciano. Now I think he may have just been humble or respecting the Rock but we cannot rule this out either since its a bad matchup for Louis (for both actually).

[butterfly1964]

Louis stated that he could never have defeated Marciano. Now I think he may have just been humble or respecting the Rock but we cannot rule this out either since its a bad matchup for Louis (for both actually).

young louis would be too skilled and would have enough stamina to beat marciano.

[Southpaw Stinger]

Louis stated that he could never have defeated Marciano. Now I think he may have just been humble or respecting the Rock but we cannot rule this out either since its a bad matchup for Louis (for both actually).

Joe Louis was a very humble man. It was what he was told to do to avoid persecution from white people. He was told to never gloat over defeating a white opponent.

And Bruce Lee said he would never defeat Ali, yet you are quick to disagree with me on that one! Bruce Lee was very humble, he was a gloating bastard sometimes!

[Brockton Lip]

And Bruce Lee said he would never defeat Ali, yet you are quick to disagree with me on that one! Bruce Lee was very humble, he was a gloating bastard sometimes!

First this is nothing about Lee. Second, learn how to read.
"Now I think he may have just been humble or respecting the Rock..." Yeah I'm quick to disagree lol!

[Southpaw Stinger]

You shouldn't even have mentioned it, it's an insult to Joe Louis's humbleness!

[Brockton Lip]

So Louis not liking to be crowded and having a not-so-great chin means it shouldn't even be brought up that the powerful, crowding Marciano could win? You girls are so stubborn.

[Oasis_Lad]

who are the 6 tyson nuthuggers ( ali haters) who voted yes on this

[butterfly1964]

who are the 6 tyson nuthuggers ( ali haters) who voted yes on this

here they are. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/po...ts&pollid=2553

[Southpaw Stinger]

You girls are so stubborn.

You want me to be a girl to justify your simultaneous wanking/reading my posts. But sadly I am male and any surgery is out of the question my friend.