It was really heartbreaking to see him lose this way against Camacho. Especially, after seeing his nemisis Roberto Duran do so well against him. Ray just had too many fazes of inactivity from '87-'97. But, he'd have always had a problem with Norris IMO due to his style.
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Originally posted by Mintcar923 View PostIt was really heartbreaking to see him lose this way against Camacho. Especially, after seeing his nemisis Roberto Duran do so well against him. Ray just had too many fazes of inactivity from '87-'97. But, he'd have always had a problem with Norris IMO due to his style.
Shame Norris was so inconsistent, he could be superb at times......
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Ray wanted to comeback because he probably felt he could pull off one
more spectacular performance,plus money.He also wanted it to be against
a name fighter,not an easy no name fighter.One win against a name
opponent,is better than many wins against no name fighters;he wanted
to add another win against a great fighter, to his resume.The problem is
that Ray was way past his prime and underestimated
Camacho..who was a great fighter and much younger than Ray..
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It's hard for guys to let go... Especially a guy like Leonard.. Toney, jones and Holyfield fall into the same category
Whether it be for money, ego, missing the attention,, too many fighters stay too long..
Leonard vs camacho made money,, I remember sports illustrated having a lot of pre and post fight coverage...
I always thought we could have had srl-oscar if Ray had won.. Camacho beat ray and then fought oscar.. Roy-srl would have been a one sided beat down in 97... I know there was talk of srl fight tony mcenfee the Australian guy I believe..
I think Ray broke down for all the wars in the ring, the ******* and parties, and inactivity all made him a shell of himself.. He looked really bad vs camacho, worse than any fighter looked except for maybe oscar vs manny
When srl fought Norris there was talk of either Norris or srl fighting Chavez sr at welter..
Srl vs Chavez at welter would have been one of the biggest money fights ever
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Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View PostIt's hard for guys to let go... Especially a guy like Leonard.. Toney, jones and Holyfield fall into the same category
Whether it be for money, ego, missing the attention,, too many fighters stay too long..
Leonard vs camacho made money,, I remember sports illustrated having a lot of pre and post fight coverage...
I always thought we could have had srl-oscar if Ray had won.. Camacho beat ray and then fought oscar.. Roy-srl would have been a one sided beat down in 97... I know there was talk of srl fight tony mcenfee the Australian guy I believe..
I think Ray broke down for all the wars in the ring, the ******* and parties, and inactivity all made him a shell of himself.. He looked really bad vs camacho, worse than any fighter looked except for maybe oscar vs manny
When srl fought Norris there was talk of either Norris or srl fighting Chavez sr at welter..
Srl vs Chavez at welter would have been one of the biggest money fights ever
Pretty sure Macho fought him not long after Leonard, and beat him on points..
I believe DLH, RJJ, Chavez, and even Duran, would have all hurt SRL in 97... Menefee should have been his comeback fight imo
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Originally posted by Mintcar923 View PostIt was really heartbreaking to see him lose this way against Camacho. Especially, after seeing his nemisis Roberto Duran do so well against him. Ray just had too many fazes of inactivity from '87-'97. But, he'd have always had a problem with Norris IMO due to his style.
Kept swinging and missing with the right hand, walking on to everything Macho threw.. including his head!... Very sad... Toney Holyfield was on the same level, but at least Evander went on to expose Valuev, as a great big lump of ****
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Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View PostIt's hard for guys to let go... Especially a guy like Leonard.. Toney, jones and Holyfield fall into the same category
Whether it be for money, ego, missing the attention,, too many fighters stay too long..
Leonard vs camacho made money,, I remember sports illustrated having a lot of pre and post fight coverage...
I always thought we could have had srl-oscar if Ray had won.. Camacho beat ray and then fought oscar.. Roy-srl would have been a one sided beat down in 97... I know there was talk of srl fight tony mcenfee the Australian guy I believe..
I think Ray broke down for all the wars in the ring, the ******* and parties, and inactivity all made him a shell of himself.. He looked really bad vs camacho, worse than any fighter looked except for maybe oscar vs manny
When srl fought Norris there was talk of either Norris or srl fighting Chavez sr at welter..
Srl vs Chavez at welter would have been one of the biggest money fights ever
And when we saw how weak a 34/35 year old Leonard looked at light middleweight, imagine how ineffective he'd be back at welterweight.
Fighters in their 30s really seem to struggle with performances in weight divisions they fought in many years previous. Obviously Leonard jumps to mind, but De La Hoya, Jones Jnr, Hatton are more recent examples......
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Originally posted by mickey malone View PostSome fine input my man.. Your knowledge of the 90's exceeds that of most.. But wasn't Tony Menefee, the journeyman from Nebraska, US, who often popped up to fight a name, throughout a long career, but with only moderate success..
Pretty sure Macho fought him not long after Leonard, and beat him on points..
I believe DLH, RJJ, Chavez, and even Duran, would have all hurt SRL in 97... Menefee should have been his comeback fight imoAnd yes he did fight camacho and lose on points, I think it was a year after the Leonard fight
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Originally posted by TBear View PostMoney & perhaps ego. I guess he thought he come back after after a lengthy layoff again and beat a southpaw again. This time it was a southpaw that was once a lightweight fighting as a middleweight. The previous year Camacho fought an ancient Duran and did not look that good, that might have given Ray some confidence.
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Originally posted by Sugarj View PostAgainst Norris he was ring rusty, mid 30s and in a weight division he hadn't been in for nearly a decade. But that said, Norris looked so much bigger, powerful and quite frankly he was excellent that night. You could imagine 'that' Norris giving a much younger Leonard problems too.
Shame Norris was so inconsistent, he could be superb at times......
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