Floyd mayweather Jr

[MRBOOMER]

Damn this is a hard question I don't have a top anything list but if I did Prbly somewhere in the 15 to 30 range

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I got him top 20, closing in on top 10 depending on how he ends his career..

One of the best I have ever seen....

Beating manny a few years ago would have made him top 5 IMO, but sadly his legacy is hurt by not landing that fight and a few others

[Anthony342]

I think somewhere in top 40 or top 50.

[tyger]

About 36-40.

[mickey malone]

How can that be considered a cherrypick? It was a comeback fight when he was shot to ****, 40 years old and hadn't fought in 6 years? Who should he have fought instead? Why even bring this fight up at all, it has no bearing on Leonard's greatness whatsoever.

Leonard has much better quality in his resume than Floyd that's for sure.

Archie Moore would have laughed at this... Many others too

[RubenSonny]

Archie Moore would have laughed at this... Many others too

Your reply has nothing to do with mine.

Are you going to answer the questions or ignore them?

[mickey malone]

Your reply has nothing to do with mine.

Are you going to answer the questions or ignore them?

Absolutely... And happy to answer your questions

Howard, Hagler, Lalonde, Norris.... and Camacho, were all comeback fights

Not forgetting the glory days at 147 & 154, but as a big follower of Leonard in the 80's, I felt quite cheated by most of everything he did after beating Hagler..
The super-middleweight division was virtually created, just so that he could become the first five division champ..
Lalonde, a career light-heavy, put his wbc strap on the line, but had to boil down in order to do so.. Then there was Hearns II, in which he fought well, but lost imo, followed by Duran III, the 2nd or 3rd worst title fight that I've ever seen...
Got a dose of his own medicine vs Norris.. Weight weakened, just as Lalonde had been...
Camacho was also pp, overweight & starting to fade, in and amongst a group of has been and nearly were fighters, all competing for obscure alphabet belts..
Pazienza, Rosenblatt, Herol Graham, Bronco McCart and Glenwood Brown, were all in the mix.. Not saying he should have fought one of those instead of Camacho, but he could at least, have found a smaller name for a bigger belt, actually worth coming back for.. Note he never made the same mistake as his nemesis Duran went on to do, but he must have considered Joppy at some stage, and Lonnie Bradley, who had the WBO strap
My guess is, he considered Camacho the safest and most lucrative option...


Greatness has to include longevity, and imo, 36yr old PBF is a better fighter than 35yr old SRL was

[RubenSonny]

Absolutely... And happy to answer your questions

Howard, Hagler, Lalonde, Norris.... and Camacho, were all comeback fights

Not forgetting the glory days at 147 & 154, but as a big follower of Leonard in the 80's, I felt quite cheated by most of everything he did after beating Hagler..
The super-middleweight division was virtually created, just so that he could become the first five division champ..
Lalonde, a career light-heavy, put his wbc strap on the line, but had to boil down in order to do so.. Then there was Hearns II, in which he fought well, but lost imo, followed by Duran III, the 2nd or 3rd worst title fight that I've ever seen...
Got a dose of his own medicine vs Norris.. Weight weakened, just as Lalonde had been...
Camacho was also pp, overweight & starting to fade, in and amongst a group of has been and nearly were fighters, all competing for obscure alphabet belts..
Pazienza, Rosenblatt, Herol Graham, Bronco McCart and Glenwood Brown, were all in the mix.. Not saying he should have fought one of those instead of Camacho, but he could at least, have found a smaller name for a bigger belt, actually worth coming back for.. Note he never made the same mistake as his nemesis Duran went on to do, but he must have considered Joppy at some stage, and Lonnie Bradley, who had the WBO strap
My guess is, he considered Camacho the safest and most lucrative option...


Greatness has to include longevity, and imo, 36yr old PBF is a better fighter than 35yr old SRL was

It doesn't change his legacy at all, to suggest it does is just laughable, no one uses losses in similar circumstances to discredit other great fighters. There is no way that fight reflects Leonard's ability or greatness, just because you don't like the way he handled his career after Hagler. Floyd has no wins that even remotely compare to Leonard's wins over Hearns, Duran and Benitez, hell he doesn't have many wins better than Kalule.

[mickey malone]

It doesn't change his legacy at all, to suggest it does is just laughable, no one uses losses in similar circumstances to discredit other great fighters. There is no way that fight reflects Leonard's ability or greatness, just because you don't like the way he handled his career after Hagler. Floyd has no wins that even remotely compare to Leonard's wins over Hearns, Duran and Benitez, hell he doesn't have many wins better than Kalule.

I've not attempted to change his legacy... Just said what it is
Benitez, Duran, Hearns and Hagler are 4 of the elite, and I'm not dis*****g that.
But to suggest Mayweather hasn't faced anyone better than Ayub Kalule, is a little over the top don't you think.. JMM, DLH, Cotto and Canelo, aren't as great, but are all a bit better than the Ugandan imo..
Fundamentally however, nobody knows the full extent of Floyd's legacy just yet..
For all we know, he could move up again, and start whooping middleweights.. But in the meantime, there's Khan, Maidana. or the winner of Bradley Pacquiao II for him to think about.. Suppose we'll just have to wait and see....
Guys like GGG emerging, could make things interesting.... But with his radar like defence, I just can't see anyone hitting him precisely and accurately.. Has faced his fair share of punchers, Corrales and Ndou in particular.. Not quite in the same power league as Hearns, who I'm certain was responsible for Leonard's eye surgery...
Even at 36, I'm predicting Floyd, to stay healthy, and be even greater than SRL...

Red K me if I'm wrong lol

[BennyST]

I think there has become. Real double standard these days with Floyd. I rank him probably higher than most here, bar a few, but I also see him cop way too much crap for stuff than any fighter alive, and particularly present, would not only be highly praised for, but considered great for.

I believe it's become a case of 'it doesn't matter how good his opponent is, unless he poses an absurd risk value that could see him lose, then I don't care and it's a cherry pick' etc etc. Its frickin insane and the level of it is absurd.

"Floyd should only fight Golovkin. Anything less is just cherryicking".

It's rare that any fighter in history gets shat on for fighting the consistent championship level fighters that Mayweather has and yet he gets hammered for it fight after fight after fight. Any other fighter in boxing would be called one of the greats of all time.

When it's all said and done, I think he should be remembered as among the very, very best to ever do it. I think he's above Jones/Whitaker, but just below the Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Duran, Greb, Charles type of guys. For me though, only just.

He has presented, for 20 years nearly, the most consistently complete package of offense and defense against top level championship fighters and still shows the ability to best and adjust to any style that I've seen. His greatest performances maybe aren't up there with the best I've seen, and he doesn't have any spectacular wins, but he has it all and has shown it time and time again against champions of all styles, bar a few specific traits.