How do you define ATG,, criteria??

[Sugar Adam Ali]

And I don't think there is only a certain number of guys like 100 that are atgs... A number is cool if your making a list or article but in practical purpose there is no set number

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Related questions: how many heavyweights would you consider atgs?

I think only Ali and Louid have ATG heavyweight resumes. There are other heavyweight champions who are among the top 100 greatest ever, but all the rest are there more because of achievments at lower weights eg Ezzard Charles, Fitzsimmons, RJJ.

Are there any other heavyweights that can be considered atgs based only on their heavyweight resumes?

Sugar Adam Ali's ATG heavyweights in no order

Johnson
Louis
Ali
Frazier
Foreman
Tyson
Holmes
Lennox
Holyfield
Liston
Vitali
Wlad

Ezzard and Moore but I consider labeling them light heavy

[Weltschmerz]

I know this has probably been brought up before, but im not very good with the search engine,,,

How i rank ATGs is h2h and then resume to clearly define a rank,, I usually ask myself who this fighter could beat at the absolute peak like tyson 86-88, manny 08-09, etc

point in case, i rank hearns higher than mcclarin because no doubt in my mind hearns would beat mcclarin,,, but mcclarin and oscar are close, but i give the edge to mcclarin due to his resume

Roy jones, tyson, and floyd have weak resumes compared to other ATGs but h2h they are nightmares for alot of people, same with the klitchkos,,,

So basically i use "who could beat who" and when its close i use resume and career achievements



what do you guys use to gauge ATG rankings

I like your criteria and the cases in point you presented.

[Weltschmerz]

'All Time Great' will essentially and eventually become a matter of personal taste, as people like various of the big fighters. You can have a measuring stick with resume, boxing skill, dominance, longevity, outside ring influence on society/politics, etc. Boxing fans are in general NOT objective individuals, even though some of you might claim so.

[LacedUp]

Related questions: how many heavyweights would you consider atgs?

I think only Ali and Louid have ATG heavyweight resumes. There are other heavyweight champions who are among the top 100 greatest ever, but all the rest are there more because of achievments at lower weights eg Ezzard Charles, Fitzsimmons, RJJ.

Are there any other heavyweights that can be considered atgs based only on their heavyweight resumes?

I think one or two heavies can match Louis' resume.

[Weltschmerz]

Sugar Adam Ali's ATG heavyweights in no order

Johnson
Louis
Ali
Frazier
Foreman
Tyson
Holmes
Lennox
Holyfield
Liston
Vitali
Wlad

Ezzard and Moore but I consider labeling them light heavy

It's funny, I have been ridiculed by so many posters repeatedly for suggesting that Vitali is a HW ATG.

[LacedUp]

It's funny, I have been ridiculed by so many posters repeatedly for suggesting that Vitali is a HW ATG.

He isn't. He's top 20 in my book, but his resume is simply too weak to be considered a top 10 of all times.

Ali
Louis
Johnson
Foreman
Holmes
Frazier
Holyfield
Tyson
Lewis
Liston
Marciano
Wlad

- these are just the ones of the top of my head that Vitali can't compete with at all - after that it's debatable who ranks higher than who, but the likes of JJ Walcott, Wills, Dempsey, Charles, Tunney, Langford, Bowe etc also have better wins than Vitali imo. But then you can start arguing about longevity etc.

[BattlingNelson]

If this thread turns into some off topic Klitschko fight, bans will be handed out.

[Welsh Jon]

To expand on my earlier point, if the definition of an ATG is someone who can be ranked in a p4p top 100 then the only heavyweights champs I know for sure would get in are Ali, Louis, Charles, Fitzsimmons, Dempsey, Spinks and RJJ and apart from the first 2 these guys did their best work at lower weights.

To be honest I have never attempted a top 100 p4p list but I can't think of many guys who could make it purely from his heavyweight resume.

[LacedUp]

To expand on my earlier point, if the definition of an ATG is someone who can be ranked in a p4p top 100 then the only heavyweights champs I know for sure would get in are Ali, Louis, Charles, Fitzsimmons, Dempsey, Spinks and RJJ and apart from the first 2 these guys did their best work at lower weights.

To be honest I have never attempted a top 100 p4p list but I can't think of many guys who could make it purely from his heavyweight resume.

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