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Originally posted by Yogi:
This basically sums up the total of butterfly's posts in regards to fighters from the 1960's and 1970's. He will then tell you that none of those fights with Walcott matter, because those fighters weren't as good as Liston or Johansson. Maybe Walcott was knocked out by a guy who couldn't hit as hard as Liston, but Liston knocked Patterson out lightning quick; twice. Walcott rebounded better than Patterson ever did from a powerful knock down, and he was also a far less timid fighter. Who you would rather have on your resume doesn't matter. Walcott was clearly a tougher individual with better defense.
Does this mean that he beats Patterson? No, because their losses don't matter once they'd step into the ring with each other. Also, stating that you have never heard of the fighters who floored Walcott weakens your argument further, because it proves that your knowledge of this sport is very limited and specific (ie: the era surrounding and including Ali).
You're the one who is in no position to judge Walcott, Butterfly, if you've never heard of Tiger Jack Fox or Abe Simon...Fox was considered one of the very hardest p4p hitters during his time (#51 on Ring's Greatest Punchers) and is still to this day considered one of the hardest hitting Light Heavyweights of all-time. And you're obviously not familiar with Walcott taking the Abe Simon fight on last minute notice (two or three days), and their's still to this day arguments about the legitimacy of the knockout.
Who else besides Louis & Marciano knocked out Walcott...Al Ettore? I don't know the specifics of that fight, but for someone who excuses Ali's early performances against the likes of Banks, Cooper, and Jones, you sure do have a hypocritical attitude when it comes to other fighters who are early in their careers.
If you say Patterson had a better chin you obviously don't know enough about Walcott & his opponents to make an intelligent argument...Ever heard of fighters like Elmer 'Violent' Ray, Tommy Gomez, Lee Q. Murray, Curtis 'Hatchetman' Sheppard, Hein Ten Hoff, etc.? Probably not, but every single one of those fighters there were respected and sometimes feared for the great power in their punches, yet not a single one of them were able to stop Walcott or put him down for the count...And at least two of those guys cracked the Ring's Greatest Punchers list with Ray at #44 and Gomez at #72.
Unlike Patterson who was rarely in there with a big puncher (and was getting KO'd when he was), there were plenty of times when Walcott proved himself capable of taking the power of the hardest punching Heavyweights of his generation.
Who else besides Louis & Marciano knocked out Walcott...Al Ettore? I don't know the specifics of that fight, but for someone who excuses Ali's early performances against the likes of Banks, Cooper, and Jones, you sure do have a hypocritical attitude when it comes to other fighters who are early in their careers.
If you say Patterson had a better chin you obviously don't know enough about Walcott & his opponents to make an intelligent argument...Ever heard of fighters like Elmer 'Violent' Ray, Tommy Gomez, Lee Q. Murray, Curtis 'Hatchetman' Sheppard, Hein Ten Hoff, etc.? Probably not, but every single one of those fighters there were respected and sometimes feared for the great power in their punches, yet not a single one of them were able to stop Walcott or put him down for the count...And at least two of those guys cracked the Ring's Greatest Punchers list with Ray at #44 and Gomez at #72.
Unlike Patterson who was rarely in there with a big puncher (and was getting KO'd when he was), there were plenty of times when Walcott proved himself capable of taking the power of the hardest punching Heavyweights of his generation.
Does this mean that he beats Patterson? No, because their losses don't matter once they'd step into the ring with each other. Also, stating that you have never heard of the fighters who floored Walcott weakens your argument further, because it proves that your knowledge of this sport is very limited and specific (ie: the era surrounding and including Ali).
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