How many titles would robinson won today ?

[billeau2]

To hell with the BS belts can you imagine what he'd be EARNING today?

PPV would destroy ALL previous records and you could hold these fights in the Yankee Stadium and Cowboys Stadium! Robinson would draw a 100 thousand easily today because compared to the fighters that are on top today he would appear as a "Super Action Figure" hahahaha!

The guy was made of charisma and charm, he was riding in pink cadillacs before Elvis could pee in the potty!
Who the hell shipped their Cadillac to Europe for their overseas tour?
Ray.

I saw a clip of RR on a talk show and the guy gently chided him for blowing.....get this! over the length of a career the princely sum of 2 million dollars

Thats what Tyson blew in a month!!!

[billeau2]

Answer: Whatever belts he wanted to win. And he wouldn't care about just BS alphabet soup belts. If he stayed in one class, he'd unify and be lineal champion. Most likely lightweight to light heavy, unless he decides to stay at middle. He had a reputation for being tough to negotiate with, much like Mayweather today, so he'd earn about as much or more than him.

He would in fact have, not one but two....two pink cadillacs.

[Ray Corso]

You are aware that Robinson was the biggest draw of his era!
Also 2 million dollars at that time was alot of money! Sugar fronted more people than a cat has hair, he lost money on investments with friends and in general like most fighters wasn't very good with money in general. At one point he owned a half a dozen business in Harlem that were on two city blocks!
His life style is why he fought twice a month for much of his career.
200 pro fights (recorded)
150 amatuers (recorded)
and alot more that went unrecorded!
Between the two careers Sugar often ran off 90 wins without loosing one!!!

imagine winning 90 in a row..............and doing it more than once! Ray.

[Cardinal Buck]

Andre Ward would definitely beat him.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

he would win a ton of titles

he smokes all lightweights

he smokes all the jr welters

he smokes all the welters

he smokes all the jr mids

he smokes all the middleweights, ggg would give him a good fight though

he beats super mids, but ward and froch would give him a ton of trouble

at 175 i think he easily beats stevenson, kovolev, and hopkins,,, hopkins has no chance, stevenson and kovolez would have an early punchers chance, but it would be indoors and no heat would be able to stop SRR

so basically he would be a legit champ from 135-175,,

THATS WHY HE IS THE GOAT

Dont put too much thought into it.... He has only GGG giving him trouble. :/

Why are you being a ****head.. Can you not read, i clearly laid out my thoughts, and clearly NEVER said that GGG would be the only one to give him trouble,, If you could read and comprehend you would see that i think that SRR would make easy work of the current crop of middleweights, and only GGG would give him a good fight, much like how cotto gave a good fight to floyd.. Good fight doesnt mean i think GGG beats him,,

And did you not read anything else, How about where i said that ward and Froch would give SRR the most trouble out of anyone. "ton of trouble" were my exact words,, How did you not comprehend that

And pretty much everyone has posted has agreed that SRR would go thru 135-175 without much hassle except for ward, which i clearly stated would be the toughest test....


I cant stand when someone cant read, but then shoots off at the mouth and gets everything wrong...
Plus you havent even posted your thoughts, so just go back to NSB where reading and comprehension are at a minimum, but here in the history section we usually can read and understand, and can develop counter arguements and actually discuss...

Please explain again what you bring to this discussion besides idiotic snide remarks that arent even correct in the first place

[KidKwik]

Wow, I understand that SRR is great but damn. You guys make him sound godlike. So you guys are saying the guys he fought back then were more skilled by leaps and bounds than anyone who fights today?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Wow, I understand that SRR is great but damn. You guys make him sound godlike. So you guys are saying the guys he fought back then were more skilled by leaps and bounds than anyone who fights today?

yeah pretty much,,,

The watered down amateur system, plus protecting guys with padded records, plus lack of activity has resulted in a generation that isnt as skilled as other eras,, There is still some very highly skilled fighters but the depth is not there anymore..

go look at divisional rankings from the 80s and early 90s... Each division had at least 4-5 top level elite caliber guys, and now there is sometimes none in a division...

If you look at any weight class and compare it to others from a different decade you will see that after 1 or 2 guys, the modern divisions have no where near the talent..

No doubt in my mind that SRR would beat

135- vasquez and burns
140- garcia, ruslan, lucas
147- floyd, manny, broner, pauli, alexander, brook
154- canelo, trout, lara
160- serg, ggg, quillen
168- ward, froch
175- kovolev, stevenson

look at those names compared to the early 80s
135- arguello
140- pryor
147- benetiz, duran, srl, hearns
154- hearns, aybule
160- hagler
168- not around but hearns
175- micheal spinks

or even the late 90s
135- mosely
140- tsyzu
147- pernell, oscar, tito
154- vargas
160- hopkins
168- calzaghe
175- roy jones

Today's fighters just arent at the same skill level as generations past, due to the watered down amateur scoring system, guys being protected with padded records, and guys not staying active, especially early in their careers.
Those 3 factors combined has made the skill level lower than in other eras

[billeau2]

Wow, I understand that SRR is great but damn. You guys make him sound godlike. So you guys are saying the guys he fought back then were more skilled by leaps and bounds than anyone who fights today?

Actually....don't tell anyone, especially Ray, but the truth is I think fighters have evolved. They are bigger, having grown more muscles over a generation, faster, due to amazing training methods available today like "Twister" for example which develops pliability in a way guys like Ray Robinson never could.

Fighters today are better athletes, smarter also: The governments "leave no child left behind" means a typical boxer was decoding in Kindergarden....in my generation we often started reading in second grade.

And trainers? look at that brainiac Garcia! and Roach!!! Those guys would run circles around the quaint superstitions of men such as Futch and Cus. The older guys tried, but nothing prepares a mexican fighter for a contest like a good old brewhaha where ***s and Mexicans are castigated!

Those old fighters like Robinson knew a few tricks but today the fighters are ready to go a full twelve rounds and are so talented that the youngest of em....like Tyson Fury even hits himself during a contest, just to make it interesting!!

[Humean]

yeah pretty much,,,

The watered down amateur system, plus protecting guys with padded records, plus lack of activity has resulted in a generation that isnt as skilled as other eras,, There is still some very highly skilled fighters but the depth is not there anymore..

go look at divisional rankings from the 80s and early 90s... Each division had at least 4-5 top level elite caliber guys, and now there is sometimes none in a division...

If you look at any weight class and compare it to others from a different decade you will see that after 1 or 2 guys, the modern divisions have no where near the talent..

No doubt in my mind that SRR would beat

135- vasquez and burns
140- garcia, ruslan, lucas
147- floyd, manny, broner, pauli, alexander, brook
154- canelo, trout, lara
160- serg, ggg, quillen
168- ward, froch
175- kovolev, stevenson

look at those names compared to the early 80s
135- arguello
140- pryor
147- benetiz, duran, srl, hearns
154- hearns, aybule
160- hagler
168- not around but hearns
175- micheal spinks

or even the late 90s
135- mosely
140- tsyzu
147- pernell, oscar, tito
154- vargas
160- hopkins
168- calzaghe
175- roy jones

Today's fighters just arent at the same skill level as generations past, due to the watered down amateur scoring system, guys being protected with padded records, and guys not staying active, especially early in their careers.
Those 3 factors combined has made the skill level lower than in other eras

Don't you think the criticism of the amateur scoring system has been overblown? I mean Golovkin and Rigondeaux, amongst many others, fought in the amateurs for a long time and they have made the transition into the pro very easily and are now in the elite in boxing. Even though I think the moving away from the computer tallying system is a good thing I do think that the argument against amateur boxing has really been a convenient argument to explain American boxing's apparent decline rather than an actual good argument. After all many other countries have been producing successful amateur fighters who became successful professional fighters.


As for Robinson if he could make Lightweight he'd certainly be a champ from there all the way up to at least Super Middleweight. The only current fighters with a decent chance of beating him would be Pacquiao, Mayweather, Golovkin, maybe Martinez and Ward.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Don't you think the criticism of the amateur scoring system has been overblown? I mean Golovkin and Rigondeaux, amongst many others, fought in the amateurs for a long time and they have made the transition into the pro very easily and are now in the elite in boxing. Even though I think the moving away from the computer tallying system is a good thing I do think that the argument against amateur boxing has really been a convenient argument to explain American boxing's apparent decline rather than an actual good argument. After all many other countries have been producing successful amateur fighters who became successful professional fighters.


As for Robinson if he could make Lightweight he'd certainly be a champ from there all the way up to at least Super Middleweight. The only current fighters with a decent chance of beating him would be Pacquiao, Mayweather, Golovkin, maybe Martinez and Ward.

Rigo and GGG are the exception to the rule,, like i said earlier there is still very skilled fighters, but its the depth that is lacking,,,
Just look at the olympic fighters from 60s-90s and compare to the last 4 groups from 00,04,08,12.. Its too early to tell about the 2012 class, but the others have sorely come up short,,