Dark Destroyer vs the G man rematch

[Humean]

I would say that they are out of the ordinary compared to the US. And I could give you several examples, either recent ones or going back further into the past. But that's something for another thread if you like.

The point is that it's ridiculous how Benn-McClellan was allowed to keep going after the first round whereas other fights over there have been stopped with a quickness for a lot less.

And you suppose I or anyone else cannot produce many examples from the US? Could you actually name an example of poor British refereeing in recent years worse than Mora's in Mares-Agbeko I? Should I claim American referees are poor because Mora was and is poor? Should I bring up Laurence Cole? Or would that be completely unfair when you have American referees of the quality of Weeks and Bayless?

The Benn-McClellan fight was a big world title fight and thus even British referees, who I admit are probably quicker to stop fights than at least American referees are, will let a fight of that magnitude go on especially when it is Nigel Benn. All of this is of course fairly irrelevant seeing as the referee was French.

What is ridiculous is you blaming English/British referees for the actions of a French referee, it doesn't get much more ridiculous than that!

[ShoulderRoll]

The Benn-McClellan fight was a big world title fight and thus even British referees, who I admit are probably quicker to stop fights than at least American referees are, will let a fight of that magnitude go on especially when it is Nigel Benn.

If you are going to be quick to stop a fight then so be it as long as you apply it fairly to all boxers. But there is a lack of consistency of when to call a halt and when to let the action continue, seemingly based on how well the English fighter is doing.

That's what I'm complaining about and that's something that came in play against McClellan that night. Had it been the other way around do you not think they would have stopped it right then and there and declared Benn the winner?

[Humean]

If you are going to be quick to stop a fight then so be it as long as you apply it fairly to all boxers. But there is a lack of consistency of when to call a halt and when to let the action continue, seemingly based on how well the English fighter is doing.

That's what I'm complaining about and that's something that came in play against McClellan that night. Had it been the other way around do you not think they would have stopped it right then and there and declared Benn the winner?

My point about it being Nigel Benn was not because he is English/British but because he was known as a guy who could recover when hurt. The fact you assumed I meant English/British refereeing bias only goes to show your own bias.

Do you seriously think that American referees when refereeing an American fighter against a non-American might not be inclined to favour the American, however unconsciously, at least on the margin? Is your view seriously that British/English referees are biased but American (or wherever) ones are not? If that is your view then it really is a view borne out of prejudice rather than reality.

[taansend]

I stand by what I said, shady refereeing and inconsistency seem to happen more often than usual over there. Just recently Terry O'Connor was all but holding up Nathan Cleverly and helping him to his corner after Kovalev knocked him down. I have to call it as I see it.

Sorry Mr Roll, but saying you hate British Refs then using two fights 18 years apart, one of which wasn't even a British ref, is a very silly comment indeed.

[ShoulderRoll]

Sorry Mr Roll, but saying you hate British Refs then using two fights 18 years apart, one of which wasn't even a British ref, is a very silly comment indeed.

I hate the reffing that many times takes place in Britain. Can't help it.

And I used 3 fights not two. Could have also brought up the ref in Tszyu-Hatton and several other examples but I wasn't trying to derail the original topic.

[Scott9945]

The Froch-Groves farce can now be used as "Exhibit A" for fast stoppages in the UK. Groves was cheated out of a chance to win. The close scorecards indicated who the house fighter was in that match, and apparently the referee was on board.

[Humean]

The Froch-Groves farce can now be used as "Exhibit A" for fast stoppages in the UK. Groves was cheated out of a chance to win. The close scorecards indicated who the house fighter was in that match, and apparently the referee was on board.

Yes this was a classic example of British referees stopping fights early. Do you think the referee was consciously biased or unconsciously biased?

Referees should actually treat fighters differently when it comes to protecting them in the ring because some fighters can recover from being hurt quickly whilst others cannot. In this case the stoppage was probably premature although when I saw the replay the referees decision seemed a lot better than I initially thought.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Lets be real,, in the world of boxing, no matter the country or region, you are guaranteed a few things:

1. refs will be bad sometimes

2. home fighters will get benefit of the doubt

3. judges are incompetent


That is universal around the globe, to say one country is more corrupt/incompetent than another is not a fair or accurate assessment

[Juof]

Victory defeated mcclellan he thought he could walk through benn like all his other opponents and it backfired. But if he trained i reackon he'd of blasted benn out aswell but lost to toney but may have koed jones jr

[Scott9945]

Yes this was a classic example of British referees stopping fights early. Do you think the referee was consciously biased or unconsciously biased?

Referees should actually treat fighters differently when it comes to protecting them in the ring because some fighters can recover from being hurt quickly whilst others cannot. In this case the stoppage was probably premature although when I saw the replay the referees decision seemed a lot better than I initially thought.

After hearing that two judges had Groves only one point ahead in a fight he was dominating, I'm convinced the referee was looking for an opportunity to save Froch from defeat.