Forgotten Fighters

[Scott9945]

Scott, did you see the Bobby Chacon- Danny "little red Lopez" fight? I imagine that must have been a big win for Chacon.

Yes, I was at that fight. Lopez was a favorite of mine but he was totally outfought that night. It was probably Chacon's best performance of his career.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I always remember chacon for his fights with boza-edwards and lima??, in about 83,84 somewhere around there,,, I think they were foty if not mistaken,,,

[Scott9945]

I always remember chacon for his fights with boza-edwards and lima??, in about 83,84 somewhere around there,,, I think they were foty if not mistaken,,,

The Boza-Edwards and Limon fights were classic brawls that were on network TV. It was a different Chacon than the one who used to be a featherweight champion though. It made for great fights for fans, but also left him eventually brain damaged.

[Scott9945]

thank you,, great post,, yeah i always think about the gomez fight when zarate is mentioned,, Glad to know his power was legit and he did have some great wins,,, from what i have seen from zamora, he could also ****

how would donaire, mares and rigo matchup with these guys??

At 118 I'd pick Zarate over Donaire or Mares. I'd pick Donaire over Zamora and make a Mares fight a tossup. Rigondeaux was never a bantam so I suppose he would win at 122.

[TBear]

Yes, I was at that fight. Lopez was a favorite of mine but he was totally outfought that night. It was probably Chacon's best performance of his career.

I remember my friends wanting me to go to a Little Red fight. I was working long nights at the time and was too exhausted. So I said no, especially with not knowing who that Sanchez guy was.
Damn!

True story

[tyger]

I remember my friends wanting me to go to a Little Red fight. I was working long nights at the time and was too exhausted. So I said no, especially with not knowing who that Sanchez guy was.
Damn!

True story

I bet you were kicking yourself for that one TB.

[Ben Bolt]

Is he the one among uncrowned boxers who most deserved a world title?
Charley Burley

I make it easy for myself by just copying some lines from wiki/boxrec:
• Burley was among a group of nine black fighters in the 1940s referred to as The Black Murderers’ Row. Renowned for their toughness and great boxing ability, The Murderers’ Row were feared throughout the boxing world and are categorised as being the most avoided fighters of their generation.
• George Gainford, manager of Sugar Ray Robinson, admitted that he "bypassed" Burley "because his style was such he would have counteracted Robinson's."
• Johnny Ray, manager of Billy Conn, shouted at matchmaker Art Rooney, who proposed Burley as an opponent, "No! No! No! I don't want Burley. You can have him for Christmas, for New Year's, or your Aunt Tillie's birthday. But never mention his name again."
• Fritzie Zivic, who lost two out of three fights to Burley, had his manager Luke Carney take over Burley's contract to ensure he would never have to face him again.

For nearly a decade Burley defeated everyone put in front of him. In the mid-1940s, world champions in Fritzie Zivic, Billy Soose and the great Archie Moore counted as Burley’s conquests. He was ranked in the top 10 in the welterweight and middleweight divisions for most of the 1940s, without receiving a title shot. Near the end of his career Burley took to fighting heavyweights in a bid to find meaningful contests.
• Burley was never stopped in 98 bouts. He compiled a record of 83 wins (50 KOs) against 12 losses and two draws with 1 NC. (Speculation: at times during his career, he battled financial problems which is why he's thought to have lost some of the fights he did.)
• Archie Moore, who was defeated by Burley in a 1944 middleweight bout, was one of several boxers who called Burley the greatest fighter ever.
• Eddie Futch, the great trainer, called Burley "the finest all-around fighter I ever saw."

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/burley.htm

[mickey malone]

Is he the one among uncrowned boxers who most deserved a world title?
Charley Burley

I make it easy for myself by just copying some lines from wiki/boxrec:
• Burley was among a group of nine black fighters in the 1940s referred to as The Black Murderers’ Row. Renowned for their toughness and great boxing ability, The Murderers’ Row were feared throughout the boxing world and are categorised as being the most avoided fighters of their generation.
• George Gainford, manager of Sugar Ray Robinson, admitted that he "bypassed" Burley "because his style was such he would have counteracted Robinson's."
• Johnny Ray, manager of Billy Conn, shouted at matchmaker Art Rooney, who proposed Burley as an opponent, "No! No! No! I don't want Burley. You can have him for Christmas, for New Year's, or your Aunt Tillie's birthday. But never mention his name again."
• Fritzie Zivic, who lost two out of three fights to Burley, had his manager Luke Carney take over Burley's contract to ensure he would never have to face him again.

For nearly a decade Burley defeated everyone put in front of him. In the mid-1940s, world champions in Fritzie Zivic, Billy Soose and the great Archie Moore counted as Burley’s conquests. He was ranked in the top 10 in the welterweight and middleweight divisions for most of the 1940s, without receiving a title shot. Near the end of his career Burley took to fighting heavyweights in a bid to find meaningful contests.
• Burley was never stopped in 98 bouts. He compiled a record of 83 wins (50 KOs) against 12 losses and two draws with 1 NC. (Speculation: at times during his career, he battled financial problems which is why he's thought to have lost some of the fights he did.)
• Archie Moore, who was defeated by Burley in a 1944 middleweight bout, was one of several boxers who called Burley the greatest fighter ever.
• Eddie Futch, the great trainer, called Burley "the finest all-around fighter I ever saw."

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/burley.htm

Murderers Row were never forgotten, especially Burley who is always the first name to come up, whenever there's a thread about uncrowned champs, aswell as Holman Williams ofcourse.

[Bodyshot3]

The Canizales brothers - Gaby and Orlando were both world champs - with Orlando being the more successful and a very decent long term champion who seems to be almost completely forgotten.

If they'd been middleweights or LHWs they'd be talked about a lot more; the age-old curse of being a wee man!

Both of them boxed in the UK. Gaby losing his WBO bantamweight to Duke McKenzie (no shame in that!) and Orlando twice beating Billy Hardy.

That first Hardy fight in the UK was a cracking little SD war with Billy really at his best but Orlando just about edging it. The second, rematch fight in the States went more Orlando's way.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

The Boza-Edwards and Limon fights were classic brawls that were on network TV. It was a different Chacon than the one who used to be a featherweight champion though. It made for great fights for fans, but also left him eventually brain damaged.

I think that was one of the first fights i ever saw,,,, or at least a replay,, i was a very small child, but was just amazed at those fights,,,
The rocky movies got me hooked on boxing and those fights, when they were actually on regular tv made me a fan for life,,,

At 118 I'd pick Zarate over Donaire or Mares. I'd pick Donaire over Zamora and make a Mares fight a tossup. Rigondeaux was never a bantam so I suppose he would win at 122.

I thought zarate moved up to 122 and higher after his hiatus after the pintor fight,, am i wrong on that..