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  • #21
    watched this fight last night:

    I had Holyfield winning 1,5,6,7 and 12 with round 3 and 9 even. Lewis winning 2,4,8,10 and 11.

    its a draw for me.

    Alot of the rounds were close and very difficult to score.

    I found this about the press scorings after the fight:

    U.S. PRESS REACTION

    WALLACE MATTHEWS (New York Post): Maybe this is boxing***8217;s way of telling Holyfield it is time to quit, or maybe the message is coming from an even higher authority. But if Holyfield can***8217;t win a decision after the way he fought last night, perhaps he just can***8217;t win anymore . . . The Post had Holyfield a 116-112 winner.

    STEVE SPRINGER, who scored it 116-113 in favour of Lewis (Los Angeles Times): Holyfield had all his weapons working, and indeed hurt Lewis on several occasions. But in the end, he couldn***8217;t break through to do the kind of damage he had done in the past to win the heavyweight title three times.

    DOUG KRIKORIAN, who had it 117-114 in Holyfield***8217;s favour (Long Beach Press-Telegram): . . . for a large portion of a fierce brawl marked by dramatic ebbs and flows, Holyfield out-hustled, out-slugged and out-thought his plodding opponent . . . Indeed, in a performance that defied his age and wealth, the 37-year-old multimillionaire Holyfield seemed to be the dominant fighter in the lively proceedings with his harder punches and more aggressive tactics.

    BILL PLASCHKE, who had it 115-113 in favour of Lewis (Los Angeles Times): A heavyweight can win a fight by simply fighting smart. So Lewis did just that.

    STEVE SIMMONS (Toronto Sun): The odd part of the judges***8217; decision was that this fight was far closer than the first Holyfield-Lewis bout in March, which was scored a draw. Some ringside observers had Holyfield winning last night, some had Lewis winning. The Sun scored the bout a draw. Any of those decisions would have been acceptable.

    BOB KRAVITZ (Scripps Howard News Service): Of course, a draw would have been an invitation to riot. They had to give it to somebody. The question is, why Lewis? What did he do to win the fight? . . . This was supposed to be the night Lewis was revealed. Instead, it was the night he was exposed.

    STEPHEN BRUNT, who had Lewis winning, 115-113 (Toronto Globe and Mail): During the early rounds and in the late rounds, Lewis outboxed Holyfield with relative ease, just as he did the first time they fought in March at Madison Square Garden. Though Holyfield was a whole lot better in the rematch, and especially a whole lot more focused, Lewis still controlled him with the jab, frustrating most of his advances.

    BILL LYON (Philadelphia Inquirer): Although the same decision was reached by all three judges, the verdict was far from unanimous among ringsiders. You could find almost as many people who thought Holyfield had won. Included in this group is your humble clerk-typist, who scored it 117-114 for Holyfield. Lest you think this was less than objective assaying, your humble clerk-typist had picked Lewis to win.

    RON BORGES (Boston Globe): For 12 rounds, Evander Holyfield appeared to get the better of Lennox Lewis . . . but the three judges saw it differently . . . This time, instead of investigating just one judge [a reference to Eugenia Williams, who had Holyfield beating Lewis in their first bout], the federal government should haul all three up on charges, especially 83-year-old Bill Graham, whose scorecard was an advertisement for mandatory retirement.

    GEORGE KIMBALL (Boston Herald): While some fans and media ringsiders scored the fight for Holyfield, they were almost invariably those who either picked Holyfield or bet on him . . . The Herald card had Lewis winning 115-113 although a draw would have been less outrageous in this one than in their first fight.

    BERNARD FERNANDEZ, who had Lewis winning, 115-114 (Philadelphia Daily News): Lewis . . . again came across as a technically proficient but passionless automaton who lacks the charisma to get the crowd involved . . . In the battle for most fans***8217; hearts and minds, Holyfield wins every time.

    MICHAEL KATZ (New York Daily News): . . . any attempt to paint the rematch with the same dirt as the original must be based on prejudice against the ****y Briton or for Holyfield. No, Lewis deserved the triumph.

    JERRY IZENBERG (Newark Star-Ledger): Lewis was never in serious danger although he often looked exhausted and sporadically fought as though he were. He won it close but he won it fair.

    DEAN JUIPE, who had it 114-114, a draw (Las Vegas Sun): That Lewis, by virtue of his three championships, is now the focal center of the sport merely reflects its mediocre condition. Technically he***8217;s the undisputed champion yet there***8217;s considerable dispute whether he truly deserved this victory, and there***8217;s little dispute he is hardly among the all-time greats.

    CHRIS JONES, who had Holyfield winning, 115-113 (The National Post, Canada): Lewis seemed more relieved than ecstatic. He raised his arms after the fight, as he had eight months ago, but the joy didn***8217;t seem genuine this time around. It seemed forced.

    MICHAEL ROSENTHAL (Los Angeles Daily News): Holyfield was better than he was when he and Lennox Lewis fought to a controversial draw in March, much better. Better against a behemoth like Lewis, who has almost every physical advantage, just wasn***8217;t good enough.

    KEVIN KIERNAN (New York Post): The boxing world desperately wanted a knockout and instead got another lukewarm fight.

    WILLIAM C. RHODEN (New York Times): Saturday night, boxing got the shot of adrenaline it needed. Lennox Lewis and Holyfield, who fought to a draw eight months ago, gave the sort of epic performance for which boxing at its highest level is known.
    Last edited by Axl Rose; 03-31-2015, 07:58 AM.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by MisterHardtop View Post
      Just by reading the comments here, it's obvious that there are differing opinions on both fights and who won what. I was ringside for both those bouts and had Lewis winning by 9-3 in the first and 7-4-1 in the second.

      It is highly subject and neither man took the initiative, although Lewis tried to. Holyfield wasn't at his best and Lewis didn't want to have his chin tested so went into defense mode. It was quite an anti-climactic fight, considering it was for THE heavyweight championship but sometimes these things happen.

      I spoke to Holyfield after the first fight and he told me he believed he won but even he didn't seem convinced.
      Your post raises an interesting issue. For the record I had Lewis winning both, the first fight handily and the second fight by a slimmer margin.

      Holyfield felt that because Lewis was defensive and didn't take him out, that Lewis opened himself up for a fight that went to the judges. When you in your post talk about Lewis' "defensive" mode, I feel like Holyfield's point is a slimy one but one of those sort of truisms.....like "he who hesitates meditates in the horizontal position", "nice guys finish last" -Leo Durocher, etc.

      At the time Lewis was resented for fighting cautiosly. Particularly the America public wanted a KO throwing, aggressive champion and Lewis caught much shizzle for it! I have to begrugingly give Holly credit though. He is right that when you leave it to the judges, you can't cry if you had a choice and didn't take the risk. Lewis could have at least knocked Holly down a few times in that first fight and then the judges would have been taken out of the equation. I think he should have known better and went for it.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Scott9945 View Post
        I had Lewis 10-2 in the first fight and 7-5 in the much closer rematch.
        exactly how I saw both fights. was a shame holyfield was past it to the point where he could only fight in spurts or hed have taken the rematch imo. the first fight was an obvious robbery

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Sugarj View Post
          Lewis completely dominated the first match. It wasn't even close; Holyfield looked like an old man in there and sounded deluded afterwards.

          I half expected Lewis to stop Holyfield in the return. How wrong was I?!! I didn't keep a round by round score but I think I had it 7:5 Lewis or 6:5:1 Lewis. It was a razor thin victory to my eyes; one that if it were their first fight, few would begrudge Evander holding onto his titles.

          One other thing struck me in fight two; what a pasting 1991/1992 Holyfield would have dished out on that Lewis.
          I agree with your last paragraph. holyfield could only fight in brief spurts in both lewis fights. the young holyfield would throw punches in bunches and had a great gas tank along with a solid chin. Ive always thought a young evander would have taken any version of lennox in a tough fight. too much speed and combinations

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          • #25
            I don't know what the first fight scoring was...I know I was in a pool and had Lewis by decision...and that B.S scoring cost me "TEN" g's!!!!!!

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            • #26
              Originally posted by beez721 View Post
              I agree with your last paragraph. holyfield could only fight in brief spurts in both lewis fights. the young holyfield would throw punches in bunches and had a great gas tank along with a solid chin. Ive always thought a young evander would have taken any version of lennox in a tough fight. too much speed and combinations

              Lewis does seem to have a hard time on the forum at the moment. I'm not going to pretend for a moment that he wasn't an excellent heavyweight. Every time I thought there as a good chance of him being knocked out he proved me wrong.....and several times that I predicted a tough fight for him, he completely dominated.

              But I do rate the best versions of Holyfield......and Bowe too as superior in a head to head sense.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Sugarj View Post
                Lewis does seem to have a hard time on the forum at the moment. I'm not going to pretend for a moment that he wasn't an excellent heavyweight. Every time I thought there as a good chance of him being knocked out he proved me wrong.....and several times that I predicted a tough fight for him, he completely dominated.

                But I do rate the best versions of Holyfield......and Bowe too as superior in a head to head sense.
                I also rate lennox very highly but I think a young holyfield would have out worked him. he was relentless with those combos and had a very solid chin

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                • #28
                  I don't know about that, I think a large part of Evander's success in his flurries against Lewis in the rematch was because of his size and strength(caused by you know what). The smaller, less powerful Evander of the early 90s would have had a harder time with Lewis' size so it would be a different fight.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by BKM-2010 View Post
                    I don't know about that, I think a large part of Evander's success in his flurries against Lewis in the rematch was because of his size and strength(caused by you know what). The smaller, less powerful Evander of the early 90s would have had a harder time with Lewis' size so it would be a different fight.
                    I dont think hed have stopped lennox because like you said,,,he was smaller and didnt have as much power as later on in his career but he was much quicker and could fight at a fast pace unlike the spurts he fought in later in his career. lennox wasnt nearly as good an inside fighter as bowe. obviously it wouldnt be easy for holyfield but I still think hed have out pointed lennox with his speed and volume. tough fight for both tho

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                    • #30
                      At the time I had Lewis winning both eafily. But I have learned to review fights I faw back in the day. However, I dread the thought of reviewing thefe boring affairs. Can't do it.

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