Mythical Match Up #1: Ray Leonard vs. Aaron Pryor (Spring, 1982)

[Willie Pep 229]

I don't know if Foreman was drugged or not, there is no proof he was though. I don't know for a fact Pryor used ******* or any other kind of stimulant against Arguello. But given both his and Panama Lewis history I would say it's certainly probable, especially given the Lewis refused one water bottle for the one he "mixed". We also have Resto saying what Lewis Did and that Pryor knew. Does that hold weight.....probably not. But a lot of little things add up after awhile. Do we know Wlad wasn't drugged? We certainly do because the toxicology report proves it. It's easily found if you want to see it.

Aren't toxicology test drug specific? As in, we can be sure any drug we test for is not there, but one not tested for can still be there.

I do not know if this is the case, I am asking?

[JAB5239]

Aren't toxicology test drug specific? As in, we can be sure any drug we test for is not there, but one not tested for can still be there.

I do not know if this is the case, I am asking?

I think I used the wrong terminology by saying toxicology report.

Extensive tests overseen by Dr. Margaret Goodman (chief ringside physician for the Nevada State Athletic Commission) found no evidence that Klitschko had been drugged.

Zero evidence. With Pryor there was no physical evidence either, but the circumstantial evidence in my opinion was a plenty.

[GhostofDempsey]

I believe Leonard beats him rather easily. He took shots from much bigger punchers and better fighters.

[mrbig1]

I believe Leonard beats him rather easily. He took shots from much bigger punchers and better fighters.

No doubt my friend. Not only does Leonard KO Pryor but so does Duran and Hearns.

[QueensburyRules]

I don't know if Foreman was drugged or not, there is no proof he was though. I don't know for a fact Pryor used ******* or any other kind of stimulant against Arguello. But given both his and Panama Lewis history I would say it's certainly probable, especially given the Lewis refused one water bottle for the one he "mixed". We also have Resto saying what Lewis Did and that Pryor knew. Does that hold weight.....probably not. But a lot of little things add up after awhile. Do we know Wlad wasn't drugged? We certainly do because the toxicology report proves it. It's easily found if you want to see it.

- - Wlad blood tests prove he was haywire for the fight. Also proven the Vegas commish lost all the evidence. M

Manny and Vit say he was drugged. Myself and later my buddy who watched the fight separately not knowing the result say Wlad was drugged as anyone could see.

Roy had been screaming to stop the fight since the 2nd round because Wlad was so dominant and making it look easy sorta like you making everything look duuumb.

You already proven dumber than a box of rocks.

[JAB5239]

- - Wlad blood tests prove he was haywire for the fight. Also proven the Vegas commish lost all the evidence. M

Manny and Vit say he was drugged. Myself and later my buddy who watched the fight separately not knowing the result say Wlad was drugged as anyone could see.

Roy had been screaming to stop the fight since the 2nd round because Wlad was so dominant and making it look easy sorta like you making everything look duuumb.

You already proven dumber than a box of rocks.

Lmao....do you ever get tired of hearing yourself talk? Between your alcohol induced mumbling and you ridiculous posts on here you have got to see how truly feeble and pathetic you are.

So with NO proof you are trying to say the fix was in for Lamon Brewster? "What has not been reported is that a group of 40 or so friends of Brewster manager Simon were placing large wagers. The size of the bets ranged from $50,000 to $100,000 brought to the bookmakers not from mob types but from believers in a guy that has been successful in all he touches."

And the "Vegas commish" didn't lose any evidence, Wlad and his team never bothered to get it and it was disposed of. Why did team Klitschko not collect such precious evidence if he had truly been drugged? So, as usual you have nothing to bring to the table that supports you drunken beliefs. YOU GOT NOTHING!!

But you believe Pryor and Panama Lewis were on the up and up!!

[Willie Pep 229]

Lmao....do you ever get tired of hearing yourself talk? Between your alcohol induced mumbling and you ridiculous posts on here you have got to see how truly feeble and pathetic you are.

So with NO proof you are trying to say the fix was in for Lamon Brewster? "What has not been reported is that a group of 40 or so friends of Brewster manager Simon were placing large wagers. The size of the bets ranged from $50,000 to $100,000 brought to the bookmakers not from mob types but from believers in a guy that has been successful in all he touches."

And the "Vegas commish" didn't lose any evidence, Wlad and his team never bothered to get it and it was disposed of. Why did team Klitschko not collect such precious evidence if he had truly been drugged? So, as usual you have nothing to bring to the table that supports you drunken beliefs. YOU GOT NOTHING!!

But you believe Pryor and Panama Lewis were on the up and up!!

I lost your train of thought. Are you saying that these large 'last days' bets are not a suggestion that there was a fix in? That the important part of the bold passage, is the they were "true believers"?

In 1926, Tunney was a 4-1 underdog just three days before the fight. The odds started to slip and by fight-time, at the ringside betting, the late Tunney money had made Tunney a 7-5 favorite. **

When Dempsey turned in his dismal performance the 'poisoned at breakfast' story started to circulate.

The story got legs under it as no one could really explain why Tunney closed such a huge betting gap in such a short period, except to claim (after the fight) that they were true believers in Tunney.

I am not saying that Tunney-Dempsey (I) was fixed. I am not saying the Lewis-Brewster fight was fixed.

But late money always screams 'maybe a fix.'

I am confused why you pointed to that quote.

** Arnold Rothstein had bet 100K on Tunney and cashed in for 400K and bragged about it. Abe Attell, connected to Rothstein, was taking bets on Tunney, at ringside, right up to fight.

The guy (security) who purportedly poisoned Dempsey disappeard that night and fell out of history. As late as Spring 1927 Dempsey wrote an open letter to Tunney and Billy Gibson asking where his security guy was off to.

This time we got missing medical records. Not that protocol wasn't followed, as you point out it was. But it is funny how these accusations always seem to leave open questions.

[JAB5239]

I lost your train of thought. Are you saying that these large 'last days' bets are not a suggestion that there was a fix in? That the important part of the bold passage, is the they were "true believers"?

In 1926, Tunney was a 4-1 underdog just three days before the fight. The odds started to slip and by fight-time, at the ringside betting, the late Tunney money had made Tunney a 7-5 favorite. **

When Dempsey turned in his dismal performance the 'poisoned at breakfast' story started to circulate.

The story got legs under it as no one could really explain why Tunney closed such a huge betting gap in such a short period, except to claim (after the fight) that they were true believers in Tunney.

I am not saying that Tunney-Dempsey (I) was fixed. I am not saying the Lewis-Brewster fight was fixed.

But late money always screams 'maybe a fix.'

I am confused why you pointed to that quote.

** Arnold Rothstein had bet 100K on Tunney and cashed in for 400K and bragged about it. Abe Attell, connected to Rothstein, was taking bets on Tunney, at ringside, right up to fight.

The guy (security) who purportedly poisoned Dempsey disappeard that night and fell out of history. As late as Spring 1927 Dempsey wrote an open letter to Tunney and Billy Gibson asking where his security guy was off to.

This time we got missing medical records. Not that protocol wasn't followed, as you point out it was. But it is funny how these accusations always seem to leave open questions.

I don't ever think late money means fix. If you're betting on the underdog you're going to wait till the last minute to get the best odds. I just posted the quote because Queenie has tried to use the late money to imply the fix was in. And there were no missing medical records. The Klitschko team never got the test results and they were disposed of as all blood is after a certain amount of time.

[JAB5239]

Let's end the "Kiltschko was poisoned" debate right here and resume the very distinct possibility both Panama Lewis and Aaron Pryor cheated argument. Queenie has nothing but conspiracy theories to counter facts when discussing Wlad.

https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/articles-of...ust-taste-sour

[QueensburyRules]

Let's end the "Kiltschko was poisoned" debate right here and resume the very distinct possibility both Panama Lewis and Aaron Pryor cheated argument. Queenie has nothing but conspiracy theories to counter facts when discussing Wlad.

https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/articles-of...ust-taste-sour

- - Billy Collins fought with NY Commish approved gloves also checked by Billy's Daddy who was either outstanding dumb, or crooked to pocket a big betting slip.

The only decent shot that landed on Wlad for that Brewster fight was a jab that did nothing that we all discussed on AOL. Me aulde Buddy Scott summed up it best in that it was like Wlad had never taken a punch in his life when in fact he'd taken blizzard of good punches in a prolific career even by then.

Notable when Wlad scored his 2nd KD of Brewster, going down he pitched forward to tackle Wlad around the ankles. The horrid Robert Byrd missed both the KD and the clear foul, separated Brewster, but had to help Wlad up, the first moment of weakness where the next round he looked like a zombie could barely hold his hands up or throw a punch before collapsing incoherent at the end of 5 rounds. Guaranteed Roy had been screaming to stop the fight before the start of the 5th.