**** Tiger

[Bolo Punch]

How so?

Tiger beat Giradello twice, Gene Fullmer twice, Jose Torres twice, Nino Benvenuti.

These are all legitimate HOF'ers. All with the exception of Fullmer in their primes. But Fullmer was still the #1 MW in the world at the time.

That's just the top of the iceberg.

Other wins against legitimate Top ranked contenders;

Don Fullmer
Roger Rouse
Spider Webb
Terry Downes
Ruben Carter
Henry Hank
Hank Casey

And others.

Arguably won the first fight with Emile Griffith, very close fight.

One of the ATG chins in the history of the sport.

I that's not an ATG then I'm not too sure what is.

I'd say he lost as many big fights as he won. He may have some nice wins on his résumé but it's not just about that. Also, he never truly dominated, so his legacy isn't exactly jam-packed.

I think it's becoming far too easy to throw the term 'all-time great' around now, although I suppose that's subjective from person to person.

[Andyland]

**** Tiger

He is an ATG!!

Without looking it up, I believe his real name is Richard Ihetu

Please correct me if I'm wrong on the real name but no looking it up

[Ray Corso]

I believe he is, some think he's on the fringe!
He fought everyone and was stopped twice in 82 bouts!!!!
Trained by Chickie Ferarra and a NYC favorite fighter you were going to see action when you saw Tiger fights!
Today he would be the Champ at 160 and 168 and I'd take that to the bank!
Ray.

[IronDanHamza]

I'd say he lost as many big fights as he won. He may have some nice wins on his résumé but it's not just about that. Also, he never truly dominated, so his legacy isn't exactly jam-packed.

I think it's becoming far too easy to throw the term 'all-time great' around now, although I suppose that's subjective from person to person.

I don't see it.

2-0 against Torres.

2-0-1 against Fullmer.

1-0 against Benvenuti.

Split a series with a prime Giardello.

Could very arguably have split a series with Griffith.

The amount or top ranked contenders and prime HOF'ers he beat I can't see any way he's not an ATG. His resume is clearly ATG Calibur.

[Bolo Punch]

I don't see it.

2-0 against Torres.

2-0-1 against Fullmer.

1-0 against Benvenuti.

Split a series with a prime Giardello.

Could very arguably have split a series with Griffith.

The amount or top ranked contenders and prime HOF'ers he beat I can't see any way he's not an ATG. His resume is clearly ATG Calibur.

I disagree. I do think he's up near the top but doesn't have enough to see him into the category of ATG. His win-to-loss ratio makes sure of that. As I said before, several impressive wins but that's outweighed by the losses he suffered, in my personal opinion.

[young_robbed]

Would dominate the middleweights today. Easily.

[KidKwik]

Would dominate the middleweights today. Easily.

Not necessarily man, don't be one of those types. Just because he boxed before does not make him exponentially better than anyone out today. I feel like that only applies to heavyweights at this point. Like, say Tiger went to Super Middleweight, which was more around his weight like the mid-160s. Do you see him dominating there today?

You guys are all posing good arguments for why he should or should not. But lets come to a consensus on it he's an ATG or not

[RubenSonny]

I disagree. I do think he's up near the top but doesn't have enough to see him into the category of ATG. His win-to-loss ratio makes sure of that. As I said before, several impressive wins but that's outweighed by the losses he suffered, in my personal opinion.

That is the cop-out answer for people who lack knowledge.

[joseph5620]

I disagree. I do think he's up near the top but doesn't have enough to see him into the category of ATG. His win-to-loss ratio makes sure of that. As I said before, several impressive wins but that's outweighed by the losses he suffered, in my personal opinion.

In other words, you're just looking at his record but not the details of it. Ridiculous.

[D-MiZe]

I disagree. I do think he's up near the top but doesn't have enough to see him into the category of ATG. His win-to-loss ratio makes sure of that. As I said before, several impressive wins but that's outweighed by the losses he suffered, in my personal opinion.

Ezzard Charles win-loss ratio is 3.72/1.

Is that good enough?


EDIT: Tiger's is 3.1/1


Also, he lost 4 times in a row - which an ATG never does.