Top 5 fastest boxers of all time?

[Scott9945]

Ismael Laguna has got to be up there as well

Yes. Laguna is very underrated in this category.

[AlexKid]

Benny Leonard was very fast with both hands and feet. Harry Greb was said to be very fast handed. Joe Louis was said to be the fastest HW until Patterson. How can you state, as a fact, that Jones Jr is the fastest ever when you are familiar with maybe 10% of the fighters that have ever fought?

Same way I can state Usian Bolt is the fastest despite not seeing older generations of sprinters.

Its obvious that modern athletes have an unfair advantage over their older counter parts due to supplimentation, advances in athletical training etc, its very easy to get bias towards fighters of the past, or bias towards current day fighters, but if you look objectively at the performance of athletes in any sport and the gains in strength size speed endurnace and power in any sport it has all increased as time goes on.

[SBleeder]

Same way I can state Usian Bolt is the fastest despite not seeing older generations of sprinters.

Its obvious that modern athletes have an unfair advantage over their older counter parts due to supplimentation, advances in athletical training etc, its very easy to get bias towards fighters of the past, or bias towards current day fighters, but if you look objectively at the performance of athletes in any sport and the gains in strength size speed endurnace and power in any sport it has all increased as time goes on.

If all of this were true, which it isn't, then many fighters should have eclipsed Jones' speed in the roughly 15 to 17 years since Jones was at his absolute fastest. Jones of the mid-1990s should look downright slow by now if all this modernity has upgraded boxing to such an extent.

[AlexKid]

If all of this were true, which it isn't, then many fighters should have eclipsed Jones' speed in the roughly 15 to 17 years since Jones was at his absolute fastest. Jones of the mid-1990s should look downright slow by now if all this modernity has upgraded boxing to such an extent.

Well its more complex than this as the competition pool has shunk massively since the 80's + 90's. But as a general rule its true in all sports.

Are you trolling?

[KO MX]

"Perro" Angulo

[SBleeder]

Well its more complex than this as the competition pool has shunk massively since the 80's + 90's. But as a general rule its true in all sports.

Are you trolling?

You accusing someone of trolling. That's rich.

It's pretty well understood that boxing has NOT improved since the so-called "old times". Training methods have remained the same for decades; the welterweight champion today fights at 147 pounds, just as did Joe Walcott.

[Bolo Punch]

Same way I can state Usian Bolt is the fastest despite not seeing older generations of sprinters.

Its obvious that modern athletes have an unfair advantage over their older counter parts due to supplimentation, advances in athletical training etc, its very easy to get bias towards fighters of the past, or bias towards current day fighters, but if you look objectively at the performance of athletes in any sport and the gains in strength size speed endurnace and power in any sport it has all increased as time goes on.

Are there weight limits in sprinting? Do you sprint across a boxing ring? What a horrible comparison to make.

[AlexKid]

You accusing someone of trolling. That's rich.

It's pretty well understood that boxing has NOT improved since the so-called "old times". Training methods have remained the same for decades; the welterweight champion today fights at 147 pounds, just as did Joe Walcott.

Despite knowing that im being trolled im sttill going along with it. As its a good discussion.

It has improved. Just not as much as other sports. Its known as the sport that has improved the least but it still has improved significantly.

Modern athletes are on creatine and a whole host of other supplements and often drugs.

Sports science has improved alot, boxers are following periodisation programs, weightlifting, etc

Nutrition today is much better than it was back then people are taller bigger stronger etc than back then when food supplies where shorter. (compare the average modern heavyweight to the old school average "heavyweight")

[SBleeder]

Despite knowing that im being trolled im sttill going along with it. As its a good discussion.

It has improved. Just not as much as other sports. Its known as the sport that has improved the least but it still has improved significantly.

Modern athletes are on creatine and a whole host of other supplements and often drugs.

Sports science has improved alot, boxers are following periodisation programs, weightlifting, etc

Nutrition today is much better than it was back then people are taller bigger stronger etc than back then when food supplies where shorter. (compare the average modern heavyweight to the old school average "heavyweight")

There's a lot of nonsense in there, but I'm at a red light and will keep this short:

The average heavyweight is fat, slow, and exhausted after 8 rounds.

The "old-school" heavyweights, even as recently as the 1990s, were athletes. Even Rid**** Bowe looks like a picture of fitness when compared to slobs like Chris Arreola, Tony Thompson, and Eddie Chambers. Go back even further and we find 15 round warriors with speed, power, and conditioning that all the drugs in the world can't replicate.

Now go practice your spinning punch. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=591828

[AlexKid]

There's a lot of nonsense in there, but I'm at a red light and will keep this short:

The average heavyweight is fat, slow, and exhausted after 8 rounds.

The "old-school" heavyweights, even as recently as the 1990s, were athletes. Even Rid**** Bowe looks like a picture of fitness when compared to slobs like Chris Arreola, Tony Thompson, and Eddie Chambers. Go back even further and we find 15 round warriors with speed, power, and conditioning that all the drugs in the world can't replicate.

Now go practice your spinning punch. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=591828

the 1980's and 1990's are not old school there are very recent, old school goes back to 1866 at least.

Anyway your trolling is pathetic 3/10. Was a good discussion tho the 3 is for picking an interresting topic to troll from.