Who Thinks Butterfly Overrates every single oppnent Ali Has Fought.

[butterfly1964]

Louis would TKO Liston IMO.

yeah, laying flat on his back.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

alrite i think i have a pretty good idea of who could beat liston

but you who do you think could beat liston beside ali

[butterfly1964]

alrite i think i have a pretty good idea of who could beat liston

but you who do you think could beat liston beside ali

foreman has a shot, so does holmes, but that's it. but i really don't think they can beat him. the only boxer i would favor over liston would be ali.

[Southpaw Stinger]

Foreman would beat Liston, Frazier would beat Liston, Dempsey would beat Liston, Louis would beat Liston, Holmes would beat Liston.

[butterfly1964]

Foreman would beat Liston, Frazier would beat Liston, Dempsey would beat Liston, Louis would beat Liston, Holmes would beat Liston.

dempsey would have beaten liston? dempsey would be flattened in one or two rounds by liston. dempsey is a swarmer, and swarmers would always lose to people like foreman or liston. no way louis would have a chance. liston is actually an upgrade of louis. bigger, stronger, more powerful, better chin and a bit faster. louis would be done in three rounds. frazier is also a swarmer, so he would lose too in about 5 rounds. holmes would have the best shot out of all you've mentioned so far. but an old liston hurt and almost ko'd a close to prime cassius clay, and holmes is not as fast as clay/ali, so a prime liston who is much faster than an old one would catch holmes with more shots than an old liston did clay, so holmes would be caught up to in about 11 or 12. holmes doesn't have the chin that ali has either, so i don't see holmes pulling this one off.

[Southpaw Stinger]

I'm not convinced. Liston beat very few decent greats. Many of his greatest victories are not without rumours of cheating and mob intervention. Liston was great, but you overate him a bit.

[butterfly1964]

I'm not convinced. Liston beat very few decent greats. Many of his greatest victories are not without rumours of cheating and mob intervention. Liston was great, but you overate him a bit.

so i guess the mob forced patterson to go down in the first round, huh? or forced cleveland williams twice to be pounded into submission. if williams almost stopped liston in the first round then obviously williams was trying to fight back, don't you think? the only thing the mob did was put liniment on his gloves when liston probably didn't know until after the fight, and made liston their hitman. that's about it. they didn't fix any of his fights. he ktfo people fair and square.

[Southpaw Stinger]

Patterson and Williams were the only decent victoms then and Patterson doesn't have the best chin of all time does he?

[butterfly1964]

Patterson and Williams were the only decent victoms then and Patterson doesn't have the best chin of all time does he?

but that doesn't mean liston couldn't beat better opponents if he fought them.

[Southpaw Stinger]

Your right but based on everything we know about Liston, it's unfair to claim that only Ali could beat him.