Who has the best resume in boxing history

[juggernaut666]

If you add in cruiser weight and heavy weight Holyfield has a legit case , i think its all perception to ones own taste ,resumes dont tell the whole story ,who beat the better guy ,who beat the best overall opposition and who fought their best in their primes has to come into play .unless you are subtracting credit with losses also.Holmes ,SRR ,Lewis ,Mayweather,Leanard are all worth mentionable names.

[juggernaut666]

sonybys2 ....."You are unable to respond to my brilliant analysis"'

seriously brillant?................

please stop my stomach hurts from laughing!
Your welcome to your opinion and I must ask if you know so much who was your trainer and what gym were you a member of?
What events were you at to meet Hagler? You were in Italy?

Seriously are you elroys "lost" cousin nimerod?
You started off alright but the "hate guys" always are proven to be fanboys.
Fanboys know NOTHING about the sport their to busy to learn anything because Hating takes up all their time.

This is really getting repetitive and boring.

Ray.

What are you babbling now ray? He gave a fair assessment on Haggler ,one i didnt agree with until i read it over more carefully ,why you continue to ask posters what gym they are in and who they train belittle everyone because they lack your LEGENDARY credentials is also a joke as you the legend you claim are no where to be found on the net?

[Ray Corso]

The net is basicly twenty years old and you are twelve, everything you blab about comes from the net everything I talk about comes from my life!
Your a kid talking to adults and your constantly wrong about quotes and you know NOTHING about techniques or methods.
I ask about trainers & gyms to find out if their real students or book learned. Their are people who have studied and gained knowledge without a boxing affiliation but YOU aren't one of them!
Do you have any idea the names and numbers of outstanding people in the sport that you have never heard of, how dense and immature can you be.

Ray

[billeau2]

I have no problem with anyone saying Jones jr would beat Hagler. Roy Jones was the best fighter I personally ever saw. however, to say bhop would play with Hagler and stop him lol

Who cares if Hagler could beat Ruiz or any of those guys? What does that say of Hagler as a middleweight?

I have been put on ignore by Sonny because of menstruation issues so I will respond here: I happen to love Hopkins....But Hagler would be a handful and ultimately work Bhops to death....Bhops imo beat Taylor twice but Taylor's strength bothered him....Hagler was strong and knew how to apply that strength through pressure and experience and could pressure some of the best boxer punchers...no Hopkins gets outworked and maybe even Kayoed.

[juggernaut666]

The net is basicly twenty years old and you are twelve, everything you blab about comes from the net everything I talk about comes from my life!
Your a kid talking to adults and your constantly wrong about quotes and you know NOTHING about techniques or methods.
I ask about trainers & gyms to find out if their real students or book learned. Their are people who have studied and gained knowledge without a boxing affiliation but YOU aren't one of them!
Do you have any idea the names and numbers of outstanding people in the sport that you have never heard of, how dense and immature can you be.

Ray

Well reading Sonnys comments and then yours I would say he was the teacher in this case and you are the temper tantrum adolescent?


As far out as some of sonnys posts are they are somewhat believable unlike yours.he makes a case for his stances ,do you do the same and do it realistically and without the sarcasm of the know nothing you are half the time while you insult guys and by calling them liars while you yourself have not shed one ounce of credible info on your own self which honestly based on your posts doesn't amount to much for me as I think very little of them as they don't really correlate to reality now and I never claim to know the whole spectrum of boxing however its interesting It appears I have better responses then you do in almost all topics I take interest in. particularly HW's which is what ive studied for decades with the exception of certain boxing topics I don't really follow b/c it doesn't interest me,which is sad that I appear to still know more than you do and that's just on topicsa that I have corrected you on...the training itself is a wash ,you would offer me basic boxing which ive done when I was in my teens,basically nothing while you convince yourself you would school me????????!! :


Stick to giving the youngsters solid advice and good advice because that's about where your level stops with me!

[GeneralZod]

Ali doesn't belong on that list. Too many gift decisions and sloppy performances. I may be a bit biased because I don't like the man. He's probably the worst racist in sports history. Langford's career is based on a lot of folklore so I can't really judge him. Armstrong and Robinson? Meh, impressive but I would go with Greb as number 1.

As opposed to the best racist?

[juggernaut666]

I have been put on ignore by Sonny because of menstruation issues so I will respond here: I happen to love Hopkins....But Hagler would be a handful and ultimately work Bhops to death....Bhops imo beat Taylor twice but Taylor's strength bothered him....Hagler was strong and knew how to apply that strength through pressure and experience and could pressure some of the best boxer punchers...no Hopkins gets outworked and maybe even Kayoed.

He probably got tired of you ..did you follow him around like a long lost puppy dog as well?

[sonnyboyx2]

sonybys2 ....."You are unable to respond to my brilliant analysis"'

seriously brillant?................

please stop my stomach hurts from laughing!
Your welcome to your opinion and I must ask if you know so much who was your trainer and what gym were you a member of?
What events were you at to meet Hagler? You were in Italy?

Seriously are you elroys "lost" cousin nimerod?
You started off alright but the "hate guys" always are proven to be fanboys.
Fanboys know NOTHING about the sport their to busy to learn anything because Hating takes up all their time.

This is really getting repetitive and boring.

Ray.

Ray... Your wrong again my friend. I am not a fanboy or a hate guy` as you claim.. i am a boxing historian, a fight-film collector (over 22,000+ fights) owner of over 2000+ books and magazines. I have attended over 150 Live` boxing shows..so i know quite a lot about the sport of boxing.

Asking me what gym i was a member of or who my trainer was, is meaningless. Does Marvin Hagler know more about the history of Boxing than Steve Lott or Jim Jacobs did?.. They never boxed yet Marvin Hagler did.

As for Hating. Well that is something i would never dream of doing. What i do on boxing websites is try to debate, i tell the truth about fighters career's as far as i know it to be truthful and correct. I very rarely give my opinion on a topic or a fighter, (unlike yourself) i always stick to facts. without exaggerating. Now if you feel i have made a comment which is "Untrue, wrong, incorrect or false" about Marvin Hagler or Lennox Lewis, then i would very much appreciate it if you bring it to my attention, by providing the evidence and proof to show me and my comment to be incorrect. Ray, you may disagree with me on many things and your opinion of certain fighters is obviously different to how i see that fighter in historical terms. But please stop trying to imply to me that your opinions should be carved in stone and put into history books as "Factual Evidence" for future generations. When the reality of your comments is, They are just your opinions and far from actual facts or truths... You are unable to reply to my comments and unable to show me to be "Incorrect" so all you have posted is some personal ridicule towards me, to try to make out i am some kind of fool. who knows nothing about the sport of boxing and is just some kind of "Lying keyboard hater" with no knowledge of boxing.. So put up or shut up Ray.

As for repetitive and boring... well that is you Ray

[sonnyboyx2]

The net is basicly twenty years old and you are twelve, everything you blab about comes from the net everything I talk about comes from my life!
Your a kid talking to adults and your constantly wrong about quotes and you know NOTHING about techniques or methods.
I ask about trainers & gyms to find out if their real students or book learned. Their are people who have studied and gained knowledge without a boxing affiliation but YOU aren't one of them!
Do you have any idea the names and numbers of outstanding people in the sport that you have never heard of, how dense and immature can you be.

Ray

Well Ray... As i have said above, i have not attended professional gyms or had pro trainers like what you claim to have had. But i would like to bet you, i know more about the sport of boxing in historical terms, more about the pro fighters and champions of the sport than you could possible dream of knowing. in fact i would say i have forgotten more about boxing than you know.
Feel free Ray to ask me anything whatsoever on the sport of boxing. Try to find something which is not on the internet Ray.... And don't forget Ray, i asked you a question only a few weeks back, and guess what Ray.. You had not a ****ing clue my friend. Yet you claimed you trained the ****ing guy at that time.

[LacedUp]

it is not what it says of Hagler as a middleweight. It is what it says of Jones Jr. Toney & BHop as middleweights. How vastly superior they are than what the limited Marvin Hagler was.

Would Jones, Toney & BHop take 10rds to KO Marcos Geraldo or 8rds to KO Fully Obel ?
What about 11rds to beat John Mugabi ? Gerald McClellan done it in the opening round...

Marvin Hagler was a very good fighter and great middleweight champion. But in my opinion he was NOT a Top 10 All Time Middleweight Champion.. (which is a different topic) ... This subject is "Best resume in boxing history".. Marvin Hagler most certainly does not hold claim to that title.

So why exactly are you asking if Hagler could beat John Ruiz?

Well you could pick that out in any of their respective resumes. Would Hagler arguably lose to Dave Tiberi? Or have a tough time with Merqui Sosa?

Or get dropped twice by Mercado?

No he wouldn't. Hopkins' middleweight resume is nowhere near Hagler's anyway and neither is Toney's for that matter.

lol at the John Mugabi comparison. When Hagler beat him he was undefeated, when McClellan beat him he was barely a year removed from being starched in a round by Norris.