Questions about Chavez-Taylor I.

[Anthony342]

No I wouldn't be talking about that. I'm not asking the ref to be biased. I'm asking the ref not to take away a victory for Taylor, which he did. And the amount if time left is relevant, because two seconds is not enough time for Chavez to land a punch when you're walking all the way back from a neutral corner. Taylor was robbed, not matter how many ways you try to justify it. That TKO victory was a gift, Chavez himself even later said so, watch his later fights, it's mentioned in several commentaries for his fights.

So, I'm asking the ref to be aware of how much time is left, when a light went on right in front of him that said there was 10 seconds left. If you guys don't think how much time that's left in a round doesn't effect a ref's decision, you're crazy. You're telling me that not one ref would be more likely to let a fight continue if he knew a round was almost over?

I don't agree with that stoppage and I never will.

[The Noose]

No I wouldn't be talking about that. I'm not asking the ref to be biased. I'm asking the ref not to take away a victory for Taylor, which he did. And the amount if time left is relevant, because two seconds is not enough time for Chavez to land a punch when you're walking all the way back from a neutral corner. Taylor was robbed, not matter how many ways you try to justify it. That TKO victory was a gift, Chavez himself even later said so, watch his later fights, it's mentioned in several commentaries for his fights.

So, I'm asking the ref to be aware of how much time is left, when a light went on right in front of him that said there was 10 seconds left. If you guys don't think how much time that's left in a round doesn't effect a ref's decision, you're crazy. You're telling me that not one ref would be more likely to let a fight continue if he knew a round was almost over?

I don't agree with that stoppage and I never will.

Never say never. Its always good to be open minded.

Its this simple: The main objective for a ref is to protect a fighter if he thinks the fighter isnt fit to continue.
Thats exactly what Steele did.
Therefore if he let it continue, he would be robbing Chavez of a victory.

A ref should not be weighing up things such as how much time is left and who is ahead on points before deciding whether or not to stop a fight. That would be unprofessional and dangerous.

If other refs let it continue they would be wrong to do so.

[Boxing Bob]

Noose, save your fingers the typing. Anthony342 isn't gonna consider reasonable thought. In his opinion the safety of the fighter isn't as important as it is to most boxing fans

[BattlingNelson]

steele knew what time it was. he stopped the fight with 3 seconds on the clock. don king told him, if you want your money you better give my boy the win. so he did.

Source??

[Anthony342]

Noose, save your fingers the typing. Anthony342 isn't gonna consider reasonable thought. In his opinion the safety of the fighter isn't as important as it is to most boxing fans

Right, that's exactly what I'm saying

So I guess all those other journalists and the guys interviewed for Legendary Nights that thought it shouldn't be stopped are unreasonable too. And yes, there were those that thought it should be stopped too.

There were 2 seconds left, Chavez wouldn't have landed another punch. I didn't say safety wasn't important, I just said I didn't think Taylor was done. And if we're going to start drawing inaccurate, unfair conclusions, then I guess I can also say that you don't like it when someone disagrees with any of your opinions. So let's not do that.

And I also said if there was more time left and if it was a 15 round, instead of a 12 round fight, that it SHOULD'VE been stopped so I'm not unreasonable and do care about the safety of fighters. So I read the posts and disagreed with some and clearly explained why. You wanna see a better Richard Steele stoppage, watch Hagler-Hearns again.

[Anthony342]

Never say never. Its always good to be open minded.

Its this simple: The main objective for a ref is to protect a fighter if he thinks the fighter isnt fit to continue.
Thats exactly what Steele did.
Therefore if he let it continue, he would be robbing Chavez of a victory.

A ref should not be weighing up things such as how much time is left and who is ahead on points before deciding whether or not to stop a fight. That would be unprofessional and dangerous.

If other refs let it continue they would be wrong to do so.

Well I think how much time is left should be a factor. Or else why even have a 10 second warning to alert the ref and the fighters? I am open minded. I just happen to disagree with you here and that's my right. And if that's so crazy and unreasonable, then there are a lot of other people out there just as crazy and not just fans, because they've said the same thing over the years.

This fight added to that aura Chavez had of not only being unbeatable at the time, but protected. I'm not saying that happened in this case, though. But with the Whitaker and Randall 1 fights being scored so closely when to most people Chavez should've lost those by a wide margin, the accusations and conspiracy theories about the corrupt WBC and them helping Chavez were rampant then, which is too bad, because Chavez was great and didn't need anyone's help to have a great career.

[BKM-]

Ah, the good old Chavez-Taylor debate, one of my favorites.

In my opinion Steele did the right thing. There is only one person to blame, and that is Lou Duva. When Taylor got back to his feet, mr. Duva was jumping on the ring apron yelling like a mad man(because Chavez wasn't waiting in his neutral corner, if you're wondering), completely distracting his dazed fighter.

Maybe Taylor really was hurt that bad that he didn't realise it, and that that was the reason he didn't respond to the ref. But imo, Taylor was dazed, distracted by his frantic trainer and thus unable to respond in time.

And another thing, Chavez WOULD have gotten atleast a few seconds to land his last punches. Precious seconds were being wasted while Steele kept having to ask Taylor if he was ok, so no the bell wouldn't have rung before Chavez could hit Taylor.

[joseph5620]

Never say never. Its always good to be open minded.

Its this simple: The main objective for a ref is to protect a fighter if he thinks the fighter isnt fit to continue.
Thats exactly what Steele did.
Therefore if he let it continue, he would be robbing Chavez of a victory.

A ref should not be weighing up things such as how much time is left and who is ahead on points before deciding whether or not to stop a fight. That would be unprofessional and dangerous.

If other refs let it continue they would be wrong to do so.

The main objective for a professional ref is to do the job correctly. If Steele was so concerned about his "objectives" he would have made sure Chavez stayed in a neutral corner before anything else. You can't pick and choose when it's correct to follow the rules based on when it's convenient in a debate.

[joseph5620]

Ah, the good old Chavez-Taylor debate, one of my favorites.

In my opinion Steele did the right thing. There is only one person to blame, and that is Lou Duva. When Taylor got back to his feet, mr. Duva was jumping on the ring apron yelling like a mad man(because Chavez wasn't waiting in his neutral corner, if you're wondering), completely distracting his dazed fighter.

Maybe Taylor really was hurt that bad that he didn't realise it, and that that was the reason he didn't respond to the ref. But imo, Taylor was dazed, distracted by his frantic trainer and thus unable to respond in time.

And another thing, Chavez WOULD have gotten atleast a few seconds to land his last punches. Precious seconds were being wasted while Steele kept having to ask Taylor if he was ok, so no the bell wouldn't have rung before Chavez could hit Taylor.

Chavez never stayed in a neutral corner so those "precious seconds" wouldn't have mattered.

[BKM-]

Chavez never stayed in a neutral corner so those "precious seconds" wouldn't have mattered.

I'm gonna have to check out how far away from the corner Chavez was standing, I don't think Steele would have had to send him back far(thus wasting more time) before letting them fight on. Whatever the case, I think Chavez would have several seconds left to throw some hard shots at Taylor.