Top 10 Greatest Fighters of All Time

[AntonTheMeh]

Throw in Wlad

sure why not. ali too since none of those fights are ever gonna happen (except marquez. they'll be writing epic poems about that rivalry.)

[RubenSonny]

don't "you guys" me dude. i don't agree with that guy about anything. and i'd have to see who you'd rank 14 spots higher above apart from the ten you posted IF he beat, floyd, marquez and Martinez legitimately.

- Ray Robinson
- Harry Greb
- Sam Langford
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Ezzard Charles
6. Benny Leonard
7. Willie Pep
8. Roberto Duran
9. Bob Fitzsimmons
10. Archie Moore
11. Mickey Walker
12. Holman Williams
13. Ray Leonard
14. Joe Gans
15. Eder Jofre
16. Pernell Whitaker
17. Gene Tunney
18. Charley Burley
19. Alexis Arguello
20. Kid Gavilan

He wouldn't be greater than any of these fighters and it won't happen anyway.

[AntonTheMeh]

- Ray Robinson
- Harry Greb
- Sam Langford
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Ezzard Charles
6. Benny Leonard
7. Willie Pep
8. Roberto Duran
9. Bob Fitzsimmons
10. Archie Moore
11. Mickey Walker
12. Holman Williams
13. Ray Leonard
14. Joe Gans
15. Eder Jofre
16. Pernell Whitaker
17. Gene Tunney
18. Charley Burley
19. Alexis Arguello
20. Kid Gavilan

He wouldn't be greater than any of these fighters and it won't happen anyway.

i didn't ask for your list. thanks though.

[SBleeder]

don't "you guys" me dude. i don't agree with that guy about anything. and i'd have to see who you'd rank 14 spots higher above apart from the ten you posted IF he beat, floyd, marquez and Martinez legitimately.

Off the top of my head?

Monzon, Duran, Jofre, Whitaker, Wilde, Ray Leonard, Canzoneri, Fitzsimmons, Tunney, Gomez, Chavez, Holmes, Hagler, Saldivar, Brown, Saddler, Arguello, Ross, Ike Williams, Hearns, Griffith...

Come to think of it I'm honestly not sure if Manny could ever even be top 25 for me. There are just too many fighters in history who are more skilled than him and who accomplished a lot more than him. Not a knock on Pacquiao, but he's just not that great. Heck, if he and Mayweather retired right now I'd rank Floyd well ahead of him.

Throw in Wlad

Catchweight of 145 sounds fair.

[SBleeder]

- Ray Robinson
- Harry Greb
- Sam Langford
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Ezzard Charles
6. Benny Leonard
7. Willie Pep
8. Roberto Duran
9. Bob Fitzsimmons
10. Archie Moore
11. Mickey Walker
12. Holman Williams
13. Ray Leonard
14. Joe Gans
15. Eder Jofre
16. Pernell Whitaker
17. Gene Tunney
18. Charley Burley
19. Alexis Arguello
20. Kid Gavilan

He wouldn't be greater than any of these fighters and it won't happen anyway.

Excellent list... I'd be interested to hear why you include Holman Williams and Walker.


Signing off for the night. My Bears are falling apart against the fudgePackers and they need my undivided attention.

[AntonTheMeh]

Off the top of my head?

Monzon, Duran, Jofre, Whitaker, Wilde, Ray Leonard, Canzoneri, Fitzsimmons, Tunney, Gomez, Chavez, Holmes, Hagler, Saldivar, Brown, Saddler, Arguello, Ross, Ike Williams, Hearns, Griffith...

Come to think of it I'm honestly not sure if Manny could ever even be top 25 for me. There are just too many fighters in history who are more skilled than him and who accomplished a lot more than him. Not a knock on Pacquiao, but he's just not that great. Heck, if he and Mayweather retired right now I'd rank Floyd well ahead of him.




Catchweight of 145 sounds fair.

IF he beat mayweather, martinez, and marquez legitimately? good to know. i wouldn't agree.

[KO'er]

Refresh my memory... was there a Super Featherweight division in Armstrong's day? How about a Junior Welterweight division?

I'm not going to penalize Armstrong for failing to win titles that didn't exist.

Armstrong was more skilled and had an infinitely better resume than Pacquiao will ever have. And head to head? Armstrong would leave Manny looking up at the lights mumbling about international economics.

Pacquiao's an ATG and is the greatest Asian fighter of all time IMO... but he'll never sniff top 10 P4P status.

But did Armstrong win the flyweight title? Out of the titles I listed, there was (apart from Bantamweight) no "super" or "junior" before it.

More skilled? How do you know this? Infinitely better resume? How so? Pacman has a great resume. Tell me how can a fighter have an "infinitely better resume" than a fighter who knocked out flyweight, (super) bantamweight, featherweight, lightweight and welterweight titilists? (not too mention beating a 20lbs heavier Margarito.)

Plus with all this fuss about belts, Pacman has been #1 P4P in some people's list for a good while. It doesn't take a genius to know that if a prime Pacman stayed at a weighed division for a couple of years (and trust me, a couple of years would be needed) he would have unified all the belts cos he is an ATG, from Flyweight up to Welterweight. (apart from Mayweather's belts cos they'll never meet.)

Pacman was too busy moving up in weight to stay at a division for too long.

People tend to get nostalgic about times past. If Pacquiao and Armstrong where to meet, Pacman would be better because of the vitamins, protein shakes, training methods, etc. Look at the swimmers, 100M runners and the other athletes, sports evolve over time the sports people get better over time.

Imagine a 12 rounder between Manny and Armstrong, Manny could stay fresh and fight at full pace for 12 rounds while Armstrong would tire fighting at Manny's pace. Not to mention Pacman fighting only twice a year, Armstrong often fought 3 times a month. As Manny Steward said in the mid rounds while Pacman was domination Margarito, "he is a machine." Talent plays a part, but those vitamins, protein shakes, training techniques (evolved since Armstrong's time) and other devices (oxygen tanks, etc) played a part in Manny being as good as he is. (and was with Margarito.)

[SBleeder]

But did Armstrong win the flyweight title? Out of the titles I listed, there was (apart from Bantamweight) no "super" or "junior" before it.

More skilled? How do you know this?

I have eyes. I've seen many fights of both men.

Infinitely better resume? How so? Pacman has a great resume. Tell me how can a fighter have an "infinitely better resume" than a fighter who knocked out flyweight, (super) bantamweight, featherweight, lightweight and welterweight titilists? (not too mention beating a 20lbs heavier Margarito.)

Plus with all this fuss about belts, Pacman has been #1 P4P in some people's list for a good while. It doesn't take a genius to know that if a prime Pacman stayed at a weighed division for a couple of years (and trust me, a couple of years would be needed) he would have unified all the belts cos he is an ATG, from Flyweight up to Welterweight. (apart from Mayweather's belts cos they'll never meet.)

Pacman was too busy moving up in weight to stay at a division for too long.

People tend to get nostalgic about times past. If Pacquiao and Armstrong where to meet, Pacman would be better because of the vitamins, protein shakes, training methods, etc. Look at the swimmers, 100M runners and the other athletes, sports evolve over time the sports people get better over time.

Imagine a 12 rounder between Manny and Armstrong, Manny could stay fresh and fight at full pace for 12 rounds while Armstrong would tire fighting at Manny's pace. Not to mention Pacman fighting only twice a year, Armstrong often fought 3 times a month. As Manny Steward said in the mid rounds while Pacman was domination Margarito, "he is a machine." Talent plays a part, but those vitamins, protein shakes, training techniques (evolved since Armstrong's time) and other devices (oxygen tanks, etc) played a part in Manny being as good as he is. (and was with Margarito.)

There's a lot of nonsense (the whole protein shakes thing always is always good for a laugh) and I'm not going to respond to all of it from my phone tonight, but I had to address the bolded section.

Did you honestly just post that Henry Armstrong would TIRE?!?! Do you know ANYTHING about Hank?

The man had the best stamina in the history of the sport. He unleashed a nonstop swarming attack for 15 straight rounds... and never came close to being gassed. He had a heart condition that gave him a very low resting heart rate. Henry Armstrong fought at a pace twice as quick as Pacquiao ever fights at, and he did it for 15 rounds, often on less than a month's rest. If they had punchstats back then, he'd average at least 50% more punches per round than pretty much anyone fighting today. This is not opinion: It's obvious to anyone who has seen Armstrong fight.

To say that Pacquiao could tire Armstrong is simply ignorant and suggests to me that you don't know anything about Hammerin' Hank.

[StarshipTrooper]

But did Armstrong win the flyweight title? Out of the titles I listed, there was (apart from Bantamweight) no "super" or "junior" before it.

More skilled? How do you know this? Infinitely better resume? How so? Pacman has a great resume. Tell me how can a fighter have an "infinitely better resume" than a fighter who knocked out flyweight, (super) bantamweight, featherweight, lightweight and welterweight titilists? (not too mention beating a 20lbs heavier Margarito.)

Plus with all this fuss about belts, Pacman has been #1 P4P in some people's list for a good while. It doesn't take a genius to know that if a prime Pacman stayed at a weighed division for a couple of years (and trust me, a couple of years would be needed) he would have unified all the belts cos he is an ATG, from Flyweight up to Welterweight. (apart from Mayweather's belts cos they'll never meet.)

Pacman was too busy moving up in weight to stay at a division for too long.

People tend to get nostalgic about times past. If Pacquiao and Armstrong where to meet, Pacman would be better because of the vitamins, protein shakes, training methods, etc. Look at the swimmers, 100M runners and the other athletes, sports evolve over time the sports people get better over time.

Imagine a 12 rounder between Manny and Armstrong, Manny could stay fresh and fight at full pace for 12 rounds while Armstrong would tire fighting at Manny's pace. Not to mention Pacman fighting only twice a year, Armstrong often fought 3 times a month. As Manny Steward said in the mid rounds while Pacman was domination Margarito, "he is a machine." Talent plays a part, but those vitamins, protein shakes, training techniques (evolved since Armstrong's time) and other devices (oxygen tanks, etc) played a part in Manny being as good as he is. (and was with Margarito.)

^^^^^ Someone who knows jack **** about Armstrong.

[StarshipTrooper]

I have eyes. I've seen many fights of both men.



There's a lot of nonsense (the whole protein shakes thing always is always good for a laugh) and I'm not going to respond to all of it from my phone tonight, but I had to address the bolded section.

Did you honestly just post that Henry Armstrong would TIRE?!?! Do you know ANYTHING about Hank?

The man had the best stamina in the history of the sport. He unleashed a nonstop swarming attack for 15 straight rounds... and never came close to being gassed. He had a heart condition that gave him a very low resting heart rate. Henry Armstrong fought at a pace twice as quick as Pacquiao ever fights at, and he did it for 15 rounds, often on less than a month's rest. If they had punchstats back then, he'd average at least 50% more punches per round than pretty much anyone fighting today. This is not opinion: It's obvious to anyone who has seen Armstrong fight.

To say that Pacquiao could tire Armstrong is simply ignorant and suggests to me that you don't know anything about Hammerin' Hank.

Beat me to it again dammit :allhail9: