leonard duran 2

[Panamaniac]

Why do you give so much significance to that one fight?

The significance is not given by me, but by his detractors who point to "no mas" as the event that tarnished his machismo image.

[Ray Corso]

I believe that Durans punchers chance was pretty minimal that night. He just went 15 rounds with Leonard and other than rockin him in the second round didn't hurt him. Give Ray some props for his chin it was a pretty good one!
As for Duran being an all time big winner in with Welters from that time and from the past I don't think he'd fair that well against the all time great welters! His machismo was no greater than the men who used to fight every other week and/or once a month. Bassillo is one I think of who you could say "invented" machismo in the ring.
I do think Duran is an all time great but NOT at WW, he was a great lightweight, thats it!! Just because he won over Barclay doesn't make him an "all weight great" he did lose to Comacho, a guy who couldn't break an egg! Ray.

[wpink1]

Two judges had it 4-2-1 and the other had it 4-3 though. In a 15 round fight that's not a big gap at all. Remember, judges back then favored fighters who are seen to be the aggressor and were inclined to punish clowning and running in their scores.

Poet

i know.. and it woudl have been 5-2-1 and 5-3 ....ray was winning this fight clearly.

[wpink1]

Duran was just in terrible shape that night, I have read and heard a lot about just how bad shape he was in, so i'm not convinced that he would have lasted the distance. If Ray had turned up the heat, he probably would have been able to get him out of there. As for the ending, I think it is talked about too much. I don't blame Duran as much as I blame the people around him. They should have given him more time to prepare, instead they took the first offer they got for a rematch which forced him to lose a ton of weight in just a couple of months. The damage that fight did to his reputation was not worth the extra few million they got for giving Ray an immediate rematch. I think it's sad that a truly great fighter like him gets criticised for "No Mas" all the time, yet today you see people who go into fights and don't even try to win (Shane Mosley, David Haye) and people who quit not once but several times (Victor Ortiz). I don't know why, maybe it's the image that they portray and the way they quit in comparison, but for some reason they seem to get a pass while Duran doesn't.

False duran was in great shape... Read his autobiography where he address all the false info out there. People want to take from ray's win....

[SBleeder]

If you had duran ahead then you dont know how to score boxing. Leoanrd up 5-2 and he won rounds 7 and was winning round eight easy and landing more solid shots. sitting down on his punches a bit more.

It was a close fight and there's no way Duran only won 2 rounds. I had it 67-66 for Duran and I don't believe for a second that Leonard was landing the more effective punches.


I agree that Leonard was winning the 8th round at the point of the TKO.

[BennyST]

If you had duran ahead then you dont know how to score boxing. Leoanrd up 5-2 and he won rounds 7 and was winning round eight easy and landing more solid shots. sitting down on his punches a bit more.

If you had Ray ahead in the first fight, you don't know how to score boxing....oh wait, you do think he won!

It's just as daft as saying Ray won their first fight which you have often said in the past so don't pull that **** here Pink.

[wpink1]

If you had Ray ahead in the first fight, you don't know how to score boxing....oh wait, you do think he won!

It's just as daft as saying Ray won their first fight which you have often said in the past so don't pull that **** here Pink.

Benny i call it like i see it. Now I said clealry on here t hat Duran deserved the win. Did I not. However the scoring was accurate to me and hnmm the 3 different judges. The total margin was 4 points.

My point is it was a tough close fight that duran deserved. He brought it to leoanrd and they fought his style, but dont try to make it like he whipped leonard, as he did not, and after round four on each card, ray either won more rounds or equal.

[SBleeder]

The significance is not given by me, but by his detractors who point to "no mas" as the event that tarnished his machismo image.

Those detractors are idiots. The No Mas fight has no effect on Duran's place in history for me. His best days were behind him at that point and he had already proven that he could beat Leonard at 147. If he had been able to win in New Orleans I might rank him one or two spots higher than I do, but his quitting does nothing to tarnish the phenomenal career he had.

My point is it was a tough close fight that duran deserved. He brought it to leoanrd and they fought his style, but dont try to make it like he whipped leonard, as he did not, and after round four on each card, ray either won more rounds or equal.

The judges gave Duran the shaft in the middle and late rounds. Leonard won rounds, but the scorecards were closer than they should have been.

Duran beat Leonard decisively. Regardless of what the scorecards say, he controlled the fight until the last few rounds. Would I go as far as to say that he "whipped" Leonard? Perhaps not, but it would have been a terrible decision if Leonard had won the fight.

[Dynamite76]

would roberto lasted the distance if he chose to fight on?
what is your take on the ending of the fight as so much has been written about it?

I think he possibly could've lasted the distance, but Ray would've won anyway.The way Roberto went out in that fight.......not good, but he redeemed himself in more than a couple of ways.

[wpink1]

Those detractors are idiots. The No Mas fight has no effect on Duran's place in history for me. His best days were behind him at that point and he had already proven that he could beat Leonard at 147. If he had been able to win in New Orleans I might rank him one or two spots higher than I do, but his quitting does nothing to tarnish the phenomenal career he had.



The judges gave Duran the shaft in the middle and late rounds. Leonard won rounds, but the scorecards were closer than they should have been.

Duran beat Leonard decisively. Regardless of what the scorecards say, he controlled the fight until the last few rounds. Would I go as far as to say that he "whipped" Leonard? Perhaps not, but it would have been a terrible decision if Leonard had won the fight.

Duran simply lost many of the middle rounds. Clealry on my card, just as he won 3 of the first 4 rounds clearly. After the 7th, each round was close to me except for a couple. I agree Duran won the fight, Not sure where some are suggesting im saying different.