Shavers vs Joe Louis

[Sugarj]

[QUOTE=kendom;11792314]Yeah when I'm imagining Louis vs Shavers I'm thinking of the fight with Galento, that left hook that Louis although floored was able to recover very well from. Galento could hit hard (not as hard as Shavers of course) and Shavers was a poor finisher, hes not so much a danger to Louis as Tyson who was an excellent finisher. He tended to get wild as he did with Holmes leaving himself open all over the place, this is dangerous against a powerful counter-puncher with the recuperative ability of Louis.

I see Shavers knocking him down with a big punch and his desperation to end the fight with big swinging punches causes him to leaves himself open to Louis who counters with devastating effect and then knocks him out.[/QUOTE]


A very probable scenario.

Thing is, in the Holmes fight it was quite late in the fight when Shavers did land (was it round 9?). He was a very tired guy who had taken quite a pasting up till that point.

It was a sheer miracle that Holmes survived, let alone won. If it had happened a few rounds earlier....Shavers might just have taken that one.

[them_apples]

1: Shavers wasn't a bad finisher at all, Holmes is an ATG boxer with excellent defense and heart, and one of the fastest HW's ever. Let's not forget he's 6'4. Ali just straight up can't be stopped.

2: Shavers is better than Galento in every single catagorie. Galento was a BUM. Shavers was a decent contender + amazing power. Louis got caught off guard and proceeded to merk Galento like the bum he was.

3: The comparison to Mayweather and Margarito is a joke honestly. Shavers landed his massive punches on some of the best defensive boxers in the game, men much taller than him as well. Give the man some credit. I can't believe this many of you can't see him landing and just getting cut to ribbons. I've seen enough of Louis fights where he is befuddled to say the least but his power/accuracy saves the day in the championship rounds.

I know Louis is one of the greatest in the HW division. But this would be no cake walk for him. There is no way Shavers doesn't land at some point. UNLESS Louis comes out to kill him, which he rarely did, he often tried to figure his opponents out and break them down.

Thats the 2 outcomes I see. If Louis comes to kill him, chances are it will be a Jerry Quarry. But if traditional Louis goes up pumping that jab and bring it back low, Shavers right hand will most assuredly come crashing down over the top.


i've been watching a LOT of Louis as of late and can see a potential massacre early. I still however remain on my point that if Louis comes to box it could be ugly.

[StarshipTrooper]

Before anybody criticizes Louis for fighting Galento keep in mind Muhammed Ali and Joe Frazier both fought this guy >>>>>

[Scott9945]

Before anybody criticizes Louis for fighting Galento keep in mind Muhammed Ali and Joe Frazier both fought this guy >>>>>

And Mike Tyson fought his son.

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3: The comparison to Mayweather and Margarito is a joke honestly. Shavers landed his massive punches on some of the best defensive boxers in the game, men much taller than him as well. Give the man some credit. I can't believe this many of you can't see him landing and just getting cut to ribbons. I've seen enough of Louis fights where he is befuddled to say the least but his power/accuracy saves the day in the championship rounds.

It was meant as a hyperbole, but I think the comparison with Schmeling is more ridiculous.

[StarshipTrooper]

And Mike Tyson fought his son.

Who wasn't much slimmer......

[them_apples]

Mathis (sr) was skilled though, Galento wasn't. Mathis was also what? 6'5 with an 82 reach or something like that.

That photo was funny, I don't remember him fighting THAT fat.

[them_apples]

It was meant as a hyperbole, but I think the comparison with Schmeling is more ridiculous.

hardly, Schmeling wasn't that skilled. He had a few tricks but his right hand over the jab was as common as ants on an ant hill. If you want to argue an opponent that had skills, Use Walcott. Margarito and Mayweather is possibly the farthest style comparison one could possibly think of. Besides Ali and Frazier.

There is a reason why Louis smoked him out in 1 round for the rematch. You should have a look at Schmelings record. Louis wasn't the first guy to blow out Schmeling. If anything that was Louis error for having poor defense, which he did correct after this fight. He never was a defensive expert though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yilXvhph3Y

Let's be 100% real here. Louis fought some good comp towards the later part of his career, but Baer, Schmeling and Galento were bums. Watch that video and tell me how many times these guys miss, stumble and switch stances and begin fighting in a southpaw stance. Louis might have been excellent, but these guys weren't, and thats why he smashed them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BLGdFQPh8c

Louis was light years ahead of everyone in the HW division untill later on. It's plain to see. Once the Walcotts and Charles showed up he had some brutal fights. Even Rocky. Although most will argue that Louis was old, which was true, but Rocky was a beast.

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hardly, Schmeling wasn't that skilled. He had a few tricks but his right hand over the jab was as common as ants on an ant hill. If you want to argue an opponent that had skills, Use Walcott. Margarito and Mayweather is possibly the farthest style comparison one could possibly think of. Besides Ali and Frazier.

There is a reason why Louis smoked him out in 1 round for the rematch. You should have a look at Schmelings record. Louis wasn't the first guy to blow out Schmeling. If anything that was Louis error for having poor defense, which he did correct after this fight. He never was a defensive expert though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yilXvhph3Y

Let's be 100% real here. Louis fought some good comp towards the later part of his career, but Baer, Schmeling and Galento were bums. Watch that video and tell me how many times these guys miss, stumble and switch stances and begin fighting in a southpaw stance. Louis might have been excellent, but these guys weren't, and thats why he smashed them.

Sure Schmeling and Shavers were very similar fighters...

[them_apples]

Sure Schmeling and Shavers were very similar fighters...

They weren't, but the punch they threw was almost identical. It's just a typical overhand right, some times set up with a jab to the body. Now you are just trolling though I can tell.