Where do you rank Ezzard Charles on P4P lists?

[JAB5239]

the seventeen fighters I pick over Charles all time p4p- Ali, Duran, Hagler, Armstrong, Pep, Whitaker, Marciano, Mayweather, Monzon, Sal Sanchez, R Lopez, Robinson, B Leonard, Holmes, Chavez, B Ross, Galaxy. There might even be more if I put much thought into it. Charles was an all time great fighter with one hell of a resume, just not top 10 all time p4p in my opinion. Look at my list, he would have to be better than 13 of those to be considered top 5, better than 8 to be top ten. I'm not trying to belittle Charles but look at that list!!!

Out of that list I think the only legit arguments to rate above him would be Robinson, Armstrong, Pep and Leonard. You could also add Langford and Greb above him but I doubt many more. The guys resume is simply amazing and he was a marvel of a fighter when in his prime. Jmo.

[DarkTerror88]

i have him at 5
1. SRR
2. Langford
3. Greb
4. Armstrong
5 Ezz

if hes not in the top 10 or at least 15 i dont consider the person that credible

[Obama]

Out of that list I think the only legit arguments to rate above him would be Robinson, Armstrong, Pep and Leonard. You could also add Langford and Greb above him but I doubt many more. The guys resume is simply amazing and he was a marvel of a fighter when in his prime. Jmo.

If Leonard = Benny Leonard those are 6 guys I do have ahead of Charles. I also have Joe Gans over him. Everyone else is fair game though for me.

[JAB5239]

If Leonard = Benny Leonard those are 6 guys I do have ahead of Charles. I also have Joe Gans over him. Everyone else is fair game though for me.

Yep, that's the Leonard I was referring to. Forgot about Gans, a case can be made for him as well. In my opinion he's without a doubt a surefire top ten pick.

[Forza]

Would you guys agree he was the best LHW ever?

[Barn]

Would you guys agree he was the best LHW ever?

Yeah, I think Greb gets under-rated at LHW though I'm not sure if I'd have Greb Top 3 I'd have to look more closely.

[BennyST]

I wasn't trolling when I made my statement. I just don't have as high of an opinion of Charles as the rest of you. Is that alright? While I rate him third at LHW (behind Foster and Spinks), he's not in my top 10 at HWT. He has a great resume, but he is not a top 10 p4p in my opinion.

Why do you rate him above Charles? Because he has lots of this: WBC light heavyweight title, WBA World light heavyweight title, next to his name? Is that the only reason?

Because beating **** Tiger, the best fighter he fought historically, and some other decent contenders just doesn't rate next to legends of LHW like Archie Moore (the near consensus LHW king), Lloyd Marshall, Anton Christofofofoloswhatever, Gus Lesnevich, Harold Johnson, Jimmy Bivins, Elmer Ray, Joey Maxim, Teddy Yarosz etc etc.

Man, rate that next to guys like Mike Quarry, good fighters, but never even champions. Seriously?

[BennyST]

Would you guys agree he was the best LHW ever?

I think he's right up there as, or next to, my best LHW. The other guys I throw out there, at least above Foster and not in any order, are Charles himself, Tunney, Moore, Spinks, Greb, and I reckon you could also throw Langford, Loughran, Bivins, Jones Jr (how was Fosters comp better than Jones'?), and a few other guys.

I think Foster does great H2H against lots of LHW's, but his resume and general accomplishments don't stand up to others. He is a LHW great, not one of the LHW greats.

[Barn]

Why do you rate him above Charles? Because he has lots of this: WBC light heavyweight title, WBA World light heavyweight title, next to his name? Is that the only reason?

Because beating **** Tiger, the best fighter he fought historically, and some other decent contenders just doesn't rate next to legends of LHW like Archie Moore (the near consensus LHW king), Lloyd Marshall, Anton Christofofofoloswhatever, Gus Lesnevich, Harold Johnson, Jimmy Bivins, Elmer Ray, Joey Maxim, Teddy Yarosz etc etc.

Man, rate that next to guys like Mike Quarry, good fighters, but never even champions. Seriously?

@nchristo

[NChristo]

@nchristo

You know what, **** you twat.



But really I kind of lost interest in the essay because of none participating and such, speaking of which, where is your Benny Lynch one you pecker !, still researching him though although only limited resources