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Originally posted by New England View Postagreed on the points. ruddock left his feet with the "smash hook"
that's unique punch if i've ever seen one!
i used to throw them at the bag in the gym back in my day!
Originally posted by New England View Postwhen i mention steward's statement in a LIITR interview (a company i used to write for and toward which i am very partial,) i usually preface it with your logic
wladimir is his current HW and his best fighter. he's obviously got a stake in building up his power.
i do believe he;s a bigger right handed puncher than lennox, though, but that's just me agreeing with an opinion
and wladimir also rarely lets his horses run
i think if you line up a heavybag, though, you wont find many guys in history who can hit it harder than wladimir can with that right hand of his
obviously thats an opinion and up for debate
his shoulders are so high and arms so long
his bones are gigantic
and he's 245-250 in supreme condition.
Originally posted by New England View Postif we're talking about an "effective" punchers list he'd be quite far below most of the other punchers, simply on the merits of him not throwing much or in combination
hell, he usualyl starts a fight off with literally nothing but jabs for a few rounds
you cant be an effective power puncher if you dont throw the things
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Originally posted by The Surgeon View PostThe Smash kinda reminds me of a wilder version of Oscar's 45 shot
Wlad would have scored higher for me but he never commits to a punch the way some of the other do, for instance Ive seen Tyson land himself on the floor after a miss having thrown it with such malice on his mind. Guys like Dempsey and Tyson REALLY committed to their punches, Wlad is too careful to generate his maximum power
SIDE NOTE: Talking of committing to ur punches (throwing with bad intentions) can u think of anyone who threw with more commitment than Gatti or Mosley?
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Originally posted by It's Ovah View PostArthur Abraham almost spins around if he misses a punch. There are pictures of him where his punching arm is literally crossed over his body and facing backwards due to the momentum. Haye is another one who's incredibly wild with his shots, as is Pascal. Vic Darchinyan?
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Originally posted by nomadman View PostAgreed. Can't really see how anyone can say otherwise really.Last edited by Someone88; 01-26-2012, 06:26 PM.
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Originally posted by Someone88 View PostSize is a factor too but yep explosiveness, style, technique and results are the main criteria because Shavers, Foreman, Tyson, Tua and Wladimir aren't that far apart in size but yep a lot of people are looking at it differently they are great punchers I just think Tua is the hardest puncher
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Originally posted by nomadman View PostEven though Tua was short, he was built like a wad of muscle, just unbelievably thickset and solid even at 225. A bigger heavyweight like Lennox or Wlad might have been able to get more leverage and weight behind the shot, but there was just something about Tua that seemed almost superhuman at times. It was scary. The dude was born to punch.
Also it was mentioned before that Wladimir could be punching harder than he does I agree, I can see how much power he has he just holds himself back sometimes he could be an even harder puncher than he is but he's so effective
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Originally posted by Someone88 View PostActually when I meant size I meant weight actually, taller and shorter fighters can be hard punchers it depends on explosiveness and their style more I think. But yep Tua punched so hard Lewis and Wladimir hit really hard too but Tua has koed so many fighters with short punches and put opponents out.
A tall fighter seems to be able to generate much more snap and leverage on his shots, straight shots in particular, and tends to engage his shoulders and upper body more, whilst generally punching down on opponents. A shorter stockier fighter can get tremendous explosivity out of hooks, uppercuts and other punches which require torque and is generally punching upward with the legs and core. Both are capable of dealing tremendous damage to opponents, though it sometimes seems that fighters are more vulnerable to one and more resistant to the other. That's why I find it difficult to just rate someone's power on a linear scale.
What separated Tua from the crowd, IMO, was his physical strength, which struck me as immense. Like Foreman, Tua just seemed like a really strong dude, but unlike Foreman he also had handspeed, technique and explosive power to go with it. Unfortunately, his height limited his chances to truly land the devastating blows on better opponents, as well as his poor boxing abilities. As a pure puncher though, Jesus!
Originally posted by Someone88 View PostAlso it was mentioned before that Wladimir could be punching harder than he does I agree, I can see how much power he has he just holds himself back sometimes he could be an even harder puncher than he is but he's so effective
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