Comparing the skills of Sugar Ray Robinson to Sugar Ray Leonard

[The plunger man]

Robinson lost to fighters that were journey men….he had bad balance , he was reckless , had terrible defence and padded his career with fighters that had losses in double figures.
for his time he was great but it’s convenient that all the fights that he lost are somehow forgot about.
over half his wins were against very poor boxers which helped pad his career
even Jake Lamotta he was just a walking punchbag and yet so much is placed on it.
just use your eyes and watch how bad he really is.
hagler would have sliced him to ribbons and hagler would also have beaten Robinson
leonard had more accuracy , better IQ , quicker feet , fight on the front foot or back foot and had insane stamina as a welterweight
it was a different era where fighters were matched week in week out against fighters regardless of how bad they were and the culture was Friday night fight club.
As I said Robinson was great in his era but he was not as skilled as Leonard

[Slugfester]

Defense: L

Counter-Punches: Tie

Power: R

Jab: R

Speed: L

Ring Generalship: L

Combinations: Tie

Feints: Tie

Footwork: Tie

Body Punches: R

Leonard was a great body puncher, but he didn't KO opponents with them. Robinson did with either hand.

[QueensburyRules]

Robinson lost to fighters that were journey men….he had bad balance , he was reckless , had terrible defence and padded his career with fighters that had losses in double figures.
for his time he was great but it’s convenient that all the fights that he lost are somehow forgot about.
over half his wins were against very poor boxers which helped pad his career
even Jake Lamotta he was just a walking punchbag and yet so much is placed on it.
just use your eyes and watch how bad he really is.
hagler would have sliced him to ribbons and hagler would also have beaten Robinson
leonard had more accuracy , better IQ , quicker feet , fight on the front foot or back foot and had insane stamina as a welterweight
it was a different era where fighters were matched week in week out against fighters regardless of how bad they were and the culture was Friday night fight club.
As I said Robinson was great in his era but he was not as skilled as Leonard

- - Prime Duran whooped the sissypanties off prime Ray when it counted most.

Feather Macho Camacho beat him up and KOed him.

Bobby Watts and Willie the Worm Monroe whooped Marv and fat long past prime Duran almost whooped him.

Like you said, you plungerman best suited for clogged toilets.

Leave boxing to those in the know...

[DooGee#33]

- - The Real Sugar handled the middle division with ease in his prime.

Fake Sugar stunk out his only middle fight for a Split Decision. He could never go a 6 fight series like Lamotta did.

You get no dispute on this from me. I do think at his Welterweight peak Leonard was in the same ballpark with Robinson in terms of God given talent. He didn't prove himself to the degree SRR did in his era.

In the 2nd part of his career Leonard lost alot of respect imo.

[them_apples]

Defense: L

Counter-Punches: Tie

Power: R

Jab: R

Speed: L

Ring Generalship: L

Combinations: tie

Feints: Tie

Footwork: L

Body Punches:​ R

Leonard was a great body puncher, but he didn't KO opponents with them. Robinson did with either hand.

Defense: R he can ride punches like the very best, allowing him to fight in the pocket easily as well as outside

Counter-Punches: Tie, they both had good counters


Power: R

Jab: R

Speed: T we can’t compare a 160 lb RR to a 147 lb Ray Leonard, but we can compare a 160 Rr to a 160 lb RL Hagler bout. And in this case I see it as a tie.

Ring Generalship: R

Combinations: R


Feints: Tie (not sure how this can even be judged)

Footwork: R

Body Punches:​ R

Unfortunate thing about Leonard is Robinson did everything perfect before him. Leonard is great but what really did he do better than Robinson. Even the speed question is mostly a delusion gathered from watching a prime 147 young Leonard and comparing it to Robinson on the comeback at 160 lbs, filmed with a choppier camera from the bleachers distance.

leonard also had the power of ******* at his disposal, but Robinson had better trainers who understood boxing fundamentals on the highest level. Most of the things Robinson does are purposeful and educated. Very little what he does is just for style, even if it appears so. The fact that hes so good just goes to show how old boxing is and how much work has gone into it and also lost
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[kara]

Defense: R he can ride punches like the very best, allowing him to fight in the pocket easily as well as outside

Counter-Punches: Tie, they both had good counters


Power: R

Jab: R

Speed: T we canât compare a 160 lb RR to a 147 lb Ray Leonard, but we can compare a 160 Rr to a 160 lb RL Hagler bout. And in this case I see it as a tie.

Ring Generalship: R

Combinations: R


Feints: Tie (not sure how this can even be judged)

Footwork: R

Body Punches:â R

Unfortunate thing about Leonard is Robinson did everything perfect before him. Leonard is great but what really did he do better than Robinson. Even the speed question is mostly a delusion gathered from watching a prime 147 young Leonard and comparing it to Robinson on the comeback at 160 lbs, filmed with a choppier camera from the bleachers distance.

leonard also had the power of ******* at his disposal, but Robinson had better trainers who understood boxing fundamentals on the highest level. Most of the things Robinson does are purposeful and educated. Very little what he does is just for style, even if it appears so. The fact that hes so good just goes to show how old boxing is and how much work has gone into it and also lost
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Apple with some solid ratings here.

[Slugfester]

Leonard was about the best ring general I have seen. Robinson plain got hit too much. Better fighter but not a better ring general. No tie either.

[QueensburyRules]

Leonard was about the best ring general I have seen. Robinson plain got hit too much. Better fighter but not a better ring general. No tie either.

- - Sal Sanchez 23 yrs of age finished his career better than Ray who was just starting his first title fight at that age. Ray needed extra rest retirements to finish up an inferior career.

Same deal with Aaron Pryor who finished with a better record than Ray who finished his career getting beat up by tubby Macho Camacho in his last years.

Those are his peers, so let's compare Ray 40 fight career to the Real Sugar 200+ fight career, eh?

No, we must not. It's too embarrassing even for the shameless et tu!

[GhostofDempsey]

Defense: Robinson
Counter-Punches: Robinson
Power: Robinson
Jab: Tie
Speed: Leonard
Ring Generalship: Robinson
Combinations: Tie
Feints: Tie
Footwork: Robinson
Body Punches: Robinson

[Slugfester]

To say Robinson was a better ring general than Leonard is heavenly. He gets hit way too much. He misplayed his hand terribly against Maxim. Leonard probably would have beaten slow-footed Joey that night, just by being smarter than Robby, who blew his air tanks too early..

Why are you people talking about the Robinson you never saw instead of the one you have seen? The fastest Robinson you have seen is not as fast as the fastest Leonard you have seen. If you disagree, then your eyes are plain fucked up IMO.