Comparing the skills of Sugar Ray Robinson to Sugar Ray Leonard

[DooGee#33]

He misplayed his hand terribly against Maxim. Leonard probably would have beaten slow-footed Joey that night, just by being smarter than Robby, who blew his air tanks too early..

The referee must have misplayed his hand as well. He gave up after 10 rounds I believe..anyway Leonard was dropped by perhaps one of the weakest "champions" of all-time in the 1 handed club fighter Donnie LaLonde

[Slugfester]

The referee must have misplayed his hand as well. He gave up after 10 rounds I believe..anyway Leonard was dropped by perhaps one of the weakest "champions" of all-time in the 1 handed club fighter Donnie LaLonde

Because people like you and I were told on our daddy's lap that Robinson was the greatest, pinheads take that to mean he must be first in everything, or they have committed some deep sacrilege. Don't break down on me, but Robby was not first in every category, just great in each..

Leonard being dropped by LaLonde has nothing to do with comparing the skills of the two Rays.

Now get back in line.

[them_apples]

To say Robinson was a better ring general than Leonard is heavenly. He gets hit way too much. He misplayed his hand terribly against Maxim. Leonard probably would have beaten slow-footed Joey that night, just by being smarter than Robby, who blew his air tanks too early..

Why are you people talking about the Robinson you never saw instead of the one you have seen? The fastest Robinson you have seen is not as fast as the fastest Leonard you have seen. If you disagree, then your eyes are plain fucked up IMO.

I give Leonard almost next to 0 chance at beating any real version of Maxim.

the fastest Robinson you have seen is at 160 lbs. the fastest Leonard you have seen is at 147 lbs. there is also a difference in camera quality and distance. If we look at Ray at MW, I would say Robinson is actually faster, and if not faster just straight up better.

Leonard would not beat Joey Maxim. Thats a pipe dream

Joey Maxim is on the same list as Joe Louis when it comes to subtle ring Savvy and Skill. Archie Moore said Maxim was incredibly hard to hit. Don’t confuse style with skill and savvy, his style is dated - his skills are superior in every way

[them_apples]

Because people like you and I were told on our daddy's lap that Robinson was the greatest, pinheads take that to mean he must be first in everything, or they have committed some deep sacrilege. Don't break down on me, but Robby was not first in every category, just great in each..

Leonard being dropped by LaLonde has nothing to do with comparing the skills of the two Rays.

Now get back in line.

When Robinson was being hailed as the greatest boxing was already old. The reason Leonard doesn’t stand out to people is because he is over shadowed by Robinson. He doesn’t do anything better than Robinson.

[Slugfester]

When Robinson was being hailed as the greatest boxing was already old. The reason Leonard doesnât stand out to people is because he is over shadowed by Robinson. He doesnât do anything better than Robinson.

What? Now Leonard doesn't even stand out to "people," as a fighter??!! I didn't know he was that bad. I feel confident in saying Leonard stands out to "people." His talent was pretty obvious at first glance.

Leonard stayed out of the way of punches better. Sure, I know Robby had a history of pure aggression under his elegant robes and smooth style, but he had a preferred range also.

Leonard was a great clown and used it against opponents. Robinson was all business. The only time I saw him clown was against someone I cannot recall, where he did less than a masterful job by later standards.

There are clips on this site of fights before Robinson was even welterweight champion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvDw...ymnNBlNcuxAS1p XZFY9tdzNmjnl&index=6

One thing to notice is the earlier the fight, the more Robinson fights like the prime Leonard we remember. The film quality is poor but one can easily see he tries to stay on the outside all the time. Too close and he clinches, which he is good at too. Robinson accomplished his evasive aim in smaller circles than Leonard and less motion, so he could still be charged, but they both succeeded in usually keeping opponents at the distance they wanted. The older each got, the less able they were to control distance as they had of old.

And I don't mind "owning" myself if I must be owned anywhere. So I must now retract some former statements that Leonard was a bit faster; I think they were probably about the same, in hand speed i.e. Leonard still gets my nod for evasive foot speed actions, though he moves twice as much to do it (which also makes him a bit more evasive too however). Robinson only moves enough so he can immediately set up again. Sometimes Leonard goes halfway around the ring.

I never disrespect Leonard, unless it is for his aversion to timely rematches. As a fighter if he wasn't good enough to "stand out," and be respected, who in hell was, my hominid?

[QueensburyRules]

What? Now Leonard doesn't even stand out to "people," as a fighter??!! I didn't know he was that bad. I feel confident in saying Leonard stands out to "people." His talent was pretty obvious at first glance.

Leonard stayed out of the way of punches better. Sure, I know Robby had a history of pure aggression under his elegant robes and smooth style, but he had a preferred range also.

Leonard was a great clown and used it against opponents. Robinson was all business. The only time I saw him clown was against someone I cannot recall, where he did less than a masterful job by later standards.

There are clips on this site of fights before Robinson was even welterweight champion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvDw...ymnNBlNcuxAS1p XZFY9tdzNmjnl&index=6

One thing to notice is the earlier the fight, the more Robinson fights like the prime Leonard we remember. The film quality is poor but one can easily see he tries to stay on the outside all the time. Too close and he clinches, which he is good at too. Robinson accomplished his evasive aim in smaller circles than Leonard and less motion, so he could still be charged, but they both succeeded in usually keeping opponents at the distance they wanted. The older each got, the less able they were to control distance as they had of old.

And I don't mind "owning" myself if I must be owned anywhere. So I must now retract some former statements that Leonard was a bit faster; I think they were probably about the same, in hand speed i.e. Leonard still gets my nod for evasive foot speed actions, though he moves twice as much to do it (which also makes him a bit more evasive too however). Robinson only moves enough so he can immediately set up again. Sometimes Leonard goes halfway around the ring.

I never disrespect Leonard, unless it is for his aversion to timely rematches. As a fighter if he wasn't good enough to "stand out," and be respected, who in hell was, my hominid?

- - Very little footage of Robby at welter exist, and near none if any below that. We do have his fight against that lefty whose name escapes me where he carefully boxed him.

[Slugfester]

- - Very little footage of Robby at welter exist, and near none if any below that. We do have his fight against that lefty whose name escapes me where he carefully boxed him.

In those antique fights that were filmed, Robby's opponents showed excellent head and upper body movement.