Most dominant!

[Kid Achilles]

It's all speculation as to how long Ali would have kept his title had he not been stripped of it. Joe Frazier in his prime (and Joe was not in his prime for the 2nd and 3rd Ali fights) would always be hell on Ali and I could see Frazier beating even the version of Ali that fought Cleveland Williams (considered to be his best night by many).

Floored by Henry Cooper, floored by Sonny Banks, Ali was never invincible, not even in his prime.

Later in his career, forget it. There's the controversial decisions against Norton and Young and the fact that he had long ugly fights with inferior opponents like Chuck Wepner.

His resume is impressive but he did not dominate in the same fashion that Joe Louis did. On paper those wins look impressive but there were many dull fights where he did not look great.

In contrast, Louis more often than not knocked his opponent out, if not in a first fight then in a rematch.

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It's all speculation as to how long Ali would have kept his title had he not been stripped of it. Joe Frazier in his prime (and Joe was not in his prime for the 2nd and 3rd Ali fights) would always be hell on Ali and I could see Frazier beating even the version of Ali that fought Cleveland Williams (considered to be his best night by many).

Floored by Henry Cooper, floored by Sonny Banks, Ali was never invincible, not even in his prime.

Later in his career, forget it. There's the controversial decisions against Norton and Young and the fact that he had long ugly fights with inferior opponents like Chuck Wepner.

His resume is impressive but he did not dominate in the same fashion that Joe Louis did. On paper those wins look impressive but there were many dull fights where he did not look great.

In contrast, Louis more often than not knocked his opponent out, if not in a first fight then in a rematch.

Jou Louis was floored by

Marciano (twice)
Walcott (twice)
Buddy Baer
Tony Galento
Jim Braddock
Max Schmeling

(Note that Tony Galento was the butterbean of the 30s)

Later in his career, forget it

Joe Louis got a gift decision against Walcott in the 1st fight

While I totally agree that we will never know how ali with no layoff would have fared against frazier. It's also true that Joe Louis was floored by a bunch of fighters a bunch of times and got his gifts.

[KidBlackie]

[[[[[[[[[(Note that Tony Galento was the butterbean of the 30s)

Later in his career, forget it

Joe Louis got a gift decision against Walcott in the 1st fight

While I totally agree that we will never know how ali with no layoff would have fared against frazier. It's also true that Joe Louis was floored by a bunch of fighters a bunch of times and got his gifts.]]]]]]]]]
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First off, Galento was a tough and very dangerous fighter, fighting and beating most of the best of his era. Calling him Butterbean type 4rd exhibition style fighter indicates a complete lack of history.

2nd, Joe only had a few controversial fights, and gave his opponents immediate rematches and completely destroyed them in textbook displays of boxing and slugging.

Moreover, Joe also had 3 yrs of inactivity before resuming his career. Joe was only beat by 3 fighters in his career, all HOFers, two of the losses when he was an old man fighting long past his best in his IRS comeback. Who cares if he was knocked down. He was a finisher and didn't need Don King or torn gloves for his advantage.

[KidBlackie]

[[[[2+5+5+5+5+5+3+3+3+3+4+4+2+1=50 title defenses!
+ the 20 fights prior = a 70-0-0 record, 14 years as champion (1964-1978) in a 18 year career (1960-1978), and 50 title defenses, all records!

So, basically if you subtract the u.s. government stripping his title,]]]]]
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Basically if we strip you all we got is a really goofy cheerleader with no chest.

Kid, the government didn't strip Ali, the ruling boxing org, the NBA and the NY boxing commish stripped him. Yeah, kid, you forgot to double the 50 title defenses with the Ali "gift factor," making his record 100 title bubble gum kiddy defenses.

[Kid Achilles]

You misunderstood me. I'm well aware of how many times Louis was floored. I was merely debunking the myth that Ali was "unhittable".

[butterfly1964]

It's all speculation as to how long Ali would have kept his title had he not been stripped of it. Joe Frazier in his prime (and Joe was not in his prime for the 2nd and 3rd Ali fights) would always be hell on Ali and I could see Frazier beating even the version of Ali that fought Cleveland Williams (considered to be his best night by many).

Floored by Henry Cooper, floored by Sonny Banks, Ali was never invincible, not even in his prime.

Later in his career, forget it. There's the controversial decisions against Norton and Young and the fact that he had long ugly fights with inferior opponents like Chuck Wepner.

His resume is impressive but he did not dominate in the same fashion that Joe Louis did. On paper those wins look impressive but there were many dull fights where he did not look great.

In contrast, Louis more often than not knocked his opponent out, if not in a first fight then in a rematch.

he didn't fight henry cooper and sonny banks in his prime, any fool would know that.

[butterfly1964]

i suppose pbf34 doesn't want to challenge me, i knew he would see the light and realize than he can't go toe to toe with me on ali, i'm just too knowledgeable!

[Brockton Lip]

. Have a bottle .

[butterfly1964]

. Have a bottle .

that's cute !

[Da Iceman]

if your so knowledgable how come ali did fight henry cooper in his prime?
1963-06-18

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