Marciano: alternate legacy

[JAB5239]

The greats that Marciano beat were all at the end of their careers and were shells of their former selfs. Marciano does not even make my list of 20 greatest heavyweights...............Rockin'

So where do fighters like Holmes, Tyson, Vitaly and other arguable heavyweights rate? Not trying to call you out, but I promise I have a point.

[Rockin']

So where do fighters like Holmes, Tyson, Vitaly and other arguable heavyweights rate? Not trying to call you out, but I promise I have a point.

Honestly I have never made a llist yet I am certain that he would not be included in it. A young walcott and Louis, Johnson, Holmes, Ali, Frazier, Dempset, Tunney,there are a bunch of guys that I would place infront of Marciano. I would even venture to say that Renaldo Snipes would have given Marciano more than he could handle...........Rockin'

[JAB5239]

Honestly I have never made a llist yet I am certain that he would not be included in it. A young walcott and Louis, Johnson, Holmes, Ali, Frazier, Dempset, Tunney,there are a bunch of guys that I would place infront of Marciano. I would even venture to say that Renaldo Snipes would have given Marciano more than he could handle...........Rockin'

My point is that resume dictates greatness, not h2h fantasy fights. Accomplishment over other top fighters is the end all (in my opinion) considering who they fought and what they accomplished. Of course there is more, but that is the jist of it.

[Greatest1942]

Rocky Marciano is one of my all time favorite fighters, but how would his legacy have fared had he not beaten Charles, Louis, Walcott and Moore? Without those all time greats on his resume does it drop him significantly in the all time heavyweight rankings? I have Marciano currently at 10. Without those names though I believe he surely falls out of the top 20. Opinions?

What will ali's record look without Liston, Foreman, Frazier and Norton?

He might just sneak in the top 10, forget top 2. You can take away the top fighters of every ones resume and make their resume look less extraordinary.

[Forza]

The greats that Marciano beat were all at the end of their careers and were shells of their former selfs. Marciano does not even make my list of 20 greatest heavyweights.ccWith exception Charles was only 32 or so but was a light heavyweight..............Rockin'

Yes charles was a LHW......who came into the ring weighing more than marciano and being 3 inches taller.

If marciano doesn't make your top 10 you need your head checked

[IronDanHamza]

If you take the Top 4 wins off any fighter in history's legacy they will drop drastically.

Just take Lennox Lewis Top 2 wins off him and he falls drastically.

Same for almost anyone.

Those 4 wins, although all past prime, ARE literally his legacy. Without it, he has no legacy.

[JAB5239]

Honestly I have never made a llist yet I am certain that he would not be included in it. A young walcott and Louis, Johnson, Holmes, Ali, Frazier, Dempset, Tunney,there are a bunch of guys that I would place infront of Marciano. I would even venture to say that Renaldo Snipes would have given Marciano more than he could handle...........Rockin'

There is NO way either Tunney or Walcott can rank over Marciano.

[TheGreatA]

Take away the best wins of any heavyweight and they wouldn't rate very highly. But that's what separates a great heavyweight from a good heavyweight.

Marciano beat very good versions of Archie Moore, Jersey Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles who were among the most skilled fighters of all time. He may not have gotten them at their peak but you don't always get the prime match-ups in boxing.

Marciano fought and beat the best of his era and that's what he will be judged by. However the lack of depth in his resume, his relatively short stay at the top and the fact that his best opponents were past their best years does keep him away from discussions about whether he was a top 2 heavyweight.

That's reserved for Ali and Louis as far as I'm concerned.

[Barn]

Take away the best wins of any heavyweight and they wouldn't rate very highly. But that's what separates a great heavyweight from a good heavyweight.

Marciano beat very good versions of Archie Moore, Jersey Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles who were among the most skilled fighters of all time. He may not have gotten them at their peak but you don't always get the prime match-ups in boxing.

Marciano fought and beat the best of his era and that's what he will be judged by. However the lack of depth in his resume, his relatively short stay at the top and the fact that his best opponents were past their best years does keep him away from discussions about whether he was a top 2 heavyweight.

That's reserved for Ali and Louis as far as I'm concerned.

The way I see the HW division you've got Ali, Louis at the top. Then it's just a mad free for all until you reach about 12 and a slightly lower bracket comes about creating another mad free for all until about 20.

It's not like for example Middleweight with: Greb, Monzon, Hagler, Fitzsimmons Robinson all with a claim to the top spot.

[McGoorty]

Rocky Marciano is one of my all time favorite fighters, but how would his legacy have fared had he not beaten Charles, Louis, Walcott and Moore? Without those all time greats on his resume does it drop him significantly in the all time heavyweight rankings? I have Marciano currently at 10. Without those names though I believe he surely falls out of the top 20. Opinions?

Well yes he would be just a blip on the screen, but he did, and I for one am glad of it, boxing needed Marciano, he was a good thing for the sport and I just love watching him fight, I love that he evened things up with his great power,... The 50's would have ****** without him.