Who had better boxing fundamentals Muhammad Ali or Roy Jones jr

[THE REED]

'Roy could razzle and dazzle with the best of them. Almost as hard to hit as Will-o'-the-Wisp Willie Pep. Through his career he boxed like a man obsessed with the idea that getting hit was an unacceptable afront to his dignity. In the ring against the best in the division he was immaculate. Some of us wondered what would happen if an opponent finally broke through that elaborate defence and smacked him one. Now we know. . . . we'll remember Roy Jones as the classiest boxer of the modern era, but also with the glassiest chin' - Budd Schulberg. . . . . . . . . . . . . . A little harsh perhaps, but maybe the guys right.

Yeah... maybe he's wrong too... Roy got hit plenty of times in his prime.

A seemingly huge myth that he never got hit for 15 years.

He got hit... hit hard, from MW, all the way to HW he got hit.. and hit clean.

[- Ram Raid -]

Yeah... maybe he's wrong too... Roy got hit plenty of times in his prime.

A seemingly huge myth that he never got hit for 15 years.

He got hit... hit hard, from MW, all the way to HW he got hit.. and hit clean.

It'd be a good idea to go through his earlier fights and put together a highlight reel of him taking shots (sparing ourselves the later examples) to dispel this myth then. I'll look into it. . . . . . . I'd much rather believe that his punch resistance went over him always having a glass chin.

[THE REED]

It'd be a good idea to go through his earlier fights and put together a highlight reel of him taking shots (sparing ourselves the later examples) to dispel this myth then. I'll look into it. . . . . . . I'd much rather believe that his punch resistance went over him always having a glass chin.

It already exists.



Enjoy.

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It already exists.



Enjoy.

Good man. Much Appreciated.

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I was looking for shots that he didn't see coming and he takes a few of them. When you then compare them to the knockout that he suffers at the hands of Glen Johnson, he sees the punch coming and even starts to roll away from it but it still puts him out. There's definately a sharp decline in punch resistance and not just an inability to take a shot.

[IronDanHamza]

I was looking for shots that he didn't see coming and he takes a few of them. When you then compare them to the knockout that he suffers at the hands of Glen Johnson, he sees the punch coming and even starts to roll away from it but it still puts him out. There's definately a sharp decline in punch resistance and not just an inability to take a shot.

I think there is absolutely no argument that Roy Jones punch resistance declined a huge amount by the time he fought Glen Johnson.

It was damn near diminished by then.

Roy's "glass chin" is a myth. He didn't have the best chin in the world but he absolutely no by means what so ever had a "glass chin".

[JAB5239]

Jab, when your reflexes and punch resistance go anybodies fundamentals are going to look bad. If you can't counter punch and can't take a punch nothing is going to help you

Do me a favor please, post a video of Roy consistently using good fundamentals for an entire fight. You can't because there isn't one. And you're talking about his punch resistance being gone....who's to say he ever had good punch resistance to begin with? In my opinion if it wasn't for his ungodly speed and reflexes he would have gotten laid out long before he did because as great of a fighter as he was he depended on natural ability instead of learned skills.

[Kid McCoy]

I'll be honest, I can't think of a shot quite as obviously hard as the Tarver one. As I said in an earlier post it may well have knocked out a good few light heavyweights. But next time out Jones looked fragile again against Glen Johnson, who we all know isn't really a noted puncher.....at least not in world class. From then on, his chin has just got steadily worse.

The thing is, other than the shot that decked him against Del Valle (which to my eyes didn't look that hard.....and Roy didn't seem particularly stunned) no one had even so much as seen Roy on 'clear street' staggering round the ring in a daze. Griffin as you say wasn't as big a puncher as Tarver, but there was very little effect in Jones when he did land cleanly. Likewise; Hopkins, Toney, Brannon, Hill and Ruiz all landed cleanly too......obviously with lesser punches than Tarver, but again with not even so much as a stagger from Jones.

You'd have thought that there would be a few clues to a weak or average chin along the 15 year way. But there wasn't.

Perhaps Tarver's punch really was that good. It may well have ruined Jones's punch resistance for good (but hell, I'm not a neurosurgeon!!). Or perhaps even shedding 10Lbs at age 35 can have a profound effect on punch resistance!

I never said Jones was never hit before, he just never got hit with a shot like that before. A punch like that flush on the chin would take out a lot of fighters. Getting KO'd by that doesn't tell me that Jones had a glass jaw or that it suddenly became glass. He just got taken out by a home run shot. Jones himself said "it could have happened at any time in my career." It happens sometimes. Look at Gene Fullmer. He took everything Ray Robinson could throw at him in their first fight, got KO'd cold in their second fight and in their third and fourth fights he once again took everything Robinson could throw at him.

Johnson was after a sustained beating rather than just a freak punch out of nowhere. Roy looked completely gunshy that fight and he's just gone downhill from there. Del Valle makes for an interesting comparison. Like Tarver he too was a southpaw and simultaneously caught Roy with a left as he was throwing his own. Who's to say if it had been Tarver in the ring that night it wouldn't have been the same result. He did look shaky for a few moments afterwards.

[Greatest1942]

I will go with Ali....

[SplitSecond]

Do me a favor please, post a video of Roy consistently using good fundamentals for an entire fight. You can't because there isn't one. And you're talking about his punch resistance being gone....who's to say he ever had good punch resistance to begin with? In my opinion if it wasn't for his ungodly speed and reflexes he would have gotten laid out long before he did because as great of a fighter as he was he depended on natural ability instead of learned skills.

stephan johnson and the felix trinidad fight

off my head, well, im not sure how a fundamental fighter is suppossed to fight but he did have his hands up and he did work off the jab, atleast in the johnson fight