Does James Toney Have Better WINS Than Roy Jones Jr?

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You think he would out brawl Barkley while on coke (yes, he fought HIS fight for the majority of the fight and won)? Starling was having a decent run at the time Nunn beat him as well and it was only a year prior. So at which time period was he on coke? According to you, he was also out boxing Toney for 11 rounds while on coke.

You think Toney would have stopped Nunn, have those incredible fights with McCallum, partially wipe out 60, then move up to 68 and beat Barkley, Littles etc while slacking off and not training as you said he had a history of?

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I see... so you are suggesting that Nunn took him lightly, and hence we should put an(other) asterisk next to that W for Toney. Ok...

Uh no, that was never typed. I said that to simply suggest that THERE WAS NO STEP UP IN COMP FOR NUNN BECAUSE HE HAD FOUGHT ACTUAL CHAMPIONS AND HAD REIGNED FOR YEARS GOING INTO THE TONEY FIGHT. TONEY WAS RELATIVELY INEXPERIENCED, CERTAINLY AT TOP LEVEL SO THERE WASN'T THIS "STEP UP ON TONEYS CALIBER" AS YOU SUGGEST. You should understand now.

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You think Toney would have stopped Nunn, have those incredible fights with McCallum, partially wipe out 60, then move up to 68 and beat Barkley, Littles etc while slacking off and not training as you said he had a history of?

He was an on and off type of fighter. Sometimes he would come in good shape and some times he'd slack off. Hell the reason why he even moved to 168 lbs was because he ate himself up there.

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Uh no, that was never typed. I said that to simply suggest that THERE WAS NO STEP UP IN COMP FOR NUNN BECAUSE HE HAD FOUGHT ACTUAL CHAMPIONS AND HAD REIGNED FOR YEARS GOING INTO THE TONEY FIGHT. TONEY WAS RELATIVELY INEXPERIENCED, CERTAINLY AT TOP LEVEL SO THERE WASN'T THIS "STEP UP ON TONEYS CALIBER" AS YOU SUGGEST. You should understand now.

Toney is the greatest fighter on Nunn's resume, that is by definition a step up.

Nunn managed to beat fighters not named James Toney even if he had a habit

Toney managed to beat fighters not name Roy Jones even with his poor habits.

And then... they just met someone who was too good for that.

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He was an on and off type of fighter. Sometimes he would come in good shape and some times he'd slack off. Hell the reason why he even moved to 168 lbs was because he ate himself up there.

And out of all fights, he chose to slack off for the Jones fight, rather than say Littles... how convenient, no?

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Toney is the greatest fighter on Nunn's resume, that is by definition a step up.

Nunn managed to beat fighters not named James Toney even if he had a habit

Toney managed to beat fighters not name Roy Jones even with his poor habits.

And then... they just met someone who was too good for that.

No, he turned out to be the greatest fighter on his resume, he certainly wasn't at the time they fought. That's like saying Jones was the greatest fighter that Toney fought because of how well he turned out but in reality it was Nunn. It was Nunn back then and Jones overall.

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No, he turned out to be the greatest fighter on his resume, he certainly wasn't at the time they fought. That's like saying Jones was the greatest fighter that Toney fought because of how well he turned out but in reality it was Nunn. It was Nunn back then and Jones overall.

and that goes to prove my point... thank you.

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And out of all fights, he chose to slack off for the Jones fight, rather than say Littles... how convenient, no?

Again his habits were random. He fought 6 times that year and probably just wanted to kick back and didn't cut back the junk food when he should have. Granted it was a big fight, but that's just the way he was. Just like Chris Arreola came in fat and out of shape against in his two biggest name opponents (Klitschko and Adamek). There are just some boxers that has addictions outside the ring, weather it be food, drugs whatever.

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and that goes to prove my point... thank you.

You have once again lost me. I said Nunn was the greatest fighter THAT TONEY FOUGHT UP TO THE JONES FIGHT BECAUSE JONES WAS NOT AS ESTABLISHED AS NUNN AT THE TIME. Overall yes, Jones did go on to become clearly greater than Nunn but that's irrelevant since we are basing it on when these fights actually occurred. So what point i proved is beyond me.

So let me get this straight, you feel that Jones was a greater fighter than Nunn at the time he beat Toney and Toney was a greater fighter than Barkley, Starling and Kalambay even though the best win on his record was Sosa (while not bad, is not where near great) at the time he fought Nunn.

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You have once again lost me. I said Nunn was the greatest fighter THAT TONEY FOUGHT UP TO THE JONES FIGHT BECAUSE JONES WAS NOT AS ESTABLISHED AS NUNN AT THE TIME. Overall yes, Jones did go on to become clearly greater than Nunn but that's irrelevant since we are basing it on when these fights actually occurred. So what point i proved is beyond me.

So let me get this straight, you feel that Jones was a greater fighter than Nunn at the time he beat Toney and Toney was a greater fighter than Barkley, Starling and Kalambay even though the best win on his record was Sosa (while not bad, is not where near great) at the time he fought Nunn.

No, I feel that it does not matter. If I put you in the ring with a masked fighter, and you beat the guy, then i took the mask off, and you beat sugar ray robinson, that's your best win.

My point, which you helped proving with your posts is that Nunn was Toney's best win, just like Jones's best win was Toney.

If you put an asterisk because Toney was drained, you better put an asterisk because Nunn was a cokehead.