Does James Toney Have Better WINS Than Roy Jones Jr?

[SplitSecond]

was he also weight drained vs griffin?

"Toney, stepping up in weight after his one-sided loss to Roy Jones on Nov. 18, is still having problems with his biggest enemy - the scale. He spent an hour in the sauna before the weigh-in on Friday, and while he made the 175- pound limit, he entered the ring at 187 pounds last night. It showed."

http://articles.philly.com/1995-02-1...ority-decision

[joseph5620]

I'n that case I'll end this discussion here. Just know that Toney was known for ballooning up in between fights/coming in out of shape (Ie Thadzi). Its funny how a blown up middleweight who stood in front and got the better of an inside fight with one of the best cruiser weights ( and body punchers) in recent memory (Jirov) and someone who stood in front of heavyweights, is scared to throw punches because of Jones speed. Do you also believe that Toney didn't have an IV administered after the Jones weigh in because of all of the laxatives/diuretics help him lose weight?

I don't care if Toney had a history. The fact remains that he didn't lose until he fought Jones. That's a convenient time to use that excuse. I don't buy the "I didn't train hard enough " excuse for any fighter whether it's valid or not.Especially when it discredits the fighters that put in the work.

[slicksouthpaw16]

And just like Toney's eating habits did not catch up with him until he faced a fighter of Jones' caliber, Nunn's snorting habits did not catch up with him until he faced a fighter of Toney's caliber... shocking, eh?

Nunn had a great resume even before Toney with several top level fighters and James was relatively inexperienced at the time, so there was no "up to Toney's caliber". Nunn was a massive step up in class.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Its seems that too many people are having a hard time comprehending the fact that this was no random thing, and that he has ALWAYS struggled with his weight. This is a man who literally ate himself up to heavyweight. He was undisciplined, plain and simple. I heard that it got to a point where rarely even did road work, and simply shed off of the weight on sparring alone because of the fact that he didn't like to train. Take it how you want it though.
If you feel better by saying Toney was in the tip top shape and was "scared" to let his hands go, then I say roll with. I'll never agree so its best to just end this discussion which is now pointless.

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Nunn had a great resume even before Toney with several top level fighters and James was relatively inexperienced at the time, so there was no "up to Toney's caliber". Nunn was a massive step up in class.

Are you saying Toney was not a great fighter? First off, I disagree. Secondly, I don't see what it would imply.

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Its seems that too many people are having a hard time comprehending the fact that this was no random thing, and that he has ALWAYS struggled with his weight. This is a man who literally ate himself up to heavyweight. He was undisciplined, plain and simple. I heard that it got to a point where rarely even did road work, and simply shed off of the weight on sparring alone because of the fact that he didn't like to train. Take it how you want it though.
If you feel better by saying Toney was in the tip top shape and was "scared" to let his hands go, then I say roll with. I'll never agree so its best to just end this discussion which is now pointless.

Just the same as you seem to have hard time comprehending Nunn had been on coke at least since he sparked Kalambay a good 2 years before he met Toney.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Are you saying Toney was not a great fighter? First off, I disagree. Secondly, I don't see what it would imply.

Obviously you're not the only one having a hard time understanding. He obviously wasn't great at the time he fought Nunn. He was established as a contender only. What I'm "implying" is that Nunn had fought fighters more accomplished and experienced fighters (and actual champions) than James before their fight. Sosa was the best fighter that he fought before Nunn and that's saying a lot. So basically, there was no "step up to Toney's caliber" when Nunn fought him. That was a fight that Nunn was expected to win handily.

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Obviously you're not the only one having a hard time understanding. He obviously wasn't great at the time he fought Nunn. He was established as a contender only. What I'm "implying" is that Nunn had fought fighters more accomplished and experienced fighters (and actual champions) than James before their fight. Sosa was the best fighter that he fought before Nunn and that's saying a lot. So basically, there was no "step up to Toney's caliber" when Nunn fought him. That was a fight that Nunn was expected to win handily.

I see... so you are suggesting that Nunn took him lightly, and hence we should put an(other) asterisk next to that W for Toney. Ok...

[slicksouthpaw16]

Just the same as you seem to have hard time comprehending Nunn had been on coke at least since he sparked Kalambay a good 2 years before he met Toney.

You think he would out brawl Barkley while on coke (yes, he fought HIS fight for the majority of the fight and won)? Starling was having a decent run at the time Nunn beat him as well and it was only a year prior. So at which time period was he on coke? According to you, he was also out boxing Toney for 11 rounds while on coke. That must have been some good ****.

[BoxingGenius27]

No I don't think so.

Toney's win over Nunn probably his best win and what officially put him on the map. Nunn was actually whooping Toney all through the fight until the last few rounds or round.

Good job on Toney, but I wouldn't go as far to say he has better wins than Jones.