Ali-Frazier I

[DuncanJL]

where did you read that he showed his first signs of parkinson's after Manila ?

[butterfly1964]

WHAT ?/?
THE LEFT HOOK THAT PUT ALI DOWN IN THE 15TH OF ALI-FRAZIER I WAS PROBABLY THE HARDEST, MOST FLUSH, CONNECT IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING. it spun his head all the way around and made him lose consciousness. "watch the tape"???? you watch the tape. ha his head should have become detached from his spinal cord. i'll estimate 99% of the normal population would have been killed by that left hook. just that ali is a superhuman and nothing can knock him out.

joe frazier himself said that punch wasn't that hard and that he hit ali with harder punches in that fight. i read it in frazier's autobiography, smokin' joe . i would rather believe the man that threw the punch than some body that probably doesn't know crap about boxing. and i'm not on ali's nuts either. you on frazier's nut's because he beat ali when he was a shell of his old self. get the facts straight. how could anyone say that ali fought frazier in his prime (ali). that is trash and garbage crap. maybe your brain is filled with crap since you said ali was in his prime in 1971, when in actuality he never really reached his true prime thanks to the racist 1960s united states of america. if you actually saw that whole fight frazier was backing ali in corners. you think anyone could corner ali in his prime. if you watched ali previous fight in 1970 against bonavena ali was getting hit alot by wild and clumsy shots, getting backed in the corner, and ali was throwing a lot of times very slow punches. ali in 1970 would have danced around bonavena easily and ko'd him in four rounds or less and you know it. the same bonavena who knocked down frazier in 1966 in the early rounds twice. he couldn't even come close to knocking down ali when he fought him in 1970.so just as ali looked bad with bonavena, but would have embarrased him in 1967 or 68, (if the u.s. hadn't stripped him bonavena would have been his next opponent in tokyo), likewise ali would have beaten frazier either by late ko, late cuts, or unanimous decision in 1968 or 69, when they WOULD have fought if he still had his title. think before you post stuff up because frazier couldn't even carry ali jock strap, let alone beat him at his real prime (1968-1969).

[DuncanJL]

your just wrong

im not even gonna get started. everything you said was wrong. dude. there is no way ali's prime was 1971 and i have never said that. we never saw his prime in my mind. but try telling that to floyd patterson or ernie terrell.

[DuncanJL]

ali in 1970 would have danced around bonavena easily and ko'd him in four rounds or less and you know it.

i gotta say that they sort of did fight in 1970. and i have to say that ali wasn't dancing circles around anyone. it went 15 and ali wasn't sharp. you douche.

[Skydog]

Either way, both men would have given eachother a hell of a time. Ali wouldn't have beaten the **** out of Frazier in his prime, the results would have been nearly the same. When Ali was in his prime, he never threw punches as hard as he did in 1971, because he stood on his toes and got his whole body into his punches. In the 60's, he just danced and threw light, but effective flurries. Also, Ali was nailing Frazier with some of the hardest, fastest combinations he ever threw. Sure, he hit Frazier a lot more in the 2nd and 3rd fights, but he was still nailing Frazier in the 1st fight.

The only thing Ali struck out on that night was that he was facing a champion that was fully focused, determined, and ready for Ali. The two opponents Frazier was going to face were going to be Ali or Bonavena, one who had knocked Frazier down twice before, and the return of the greatest boxer of all-time. Joe had to have trained his ass off even if he didn't know who it was he was going to fight.

Anyway, I doubt there's anyone who could have beaten Joe Frazier on the night of March 8, 1971.

[Frazier's 15th round]

You just showed how much you are on Ali's nuts by saying that the man who came close to killing Ali couldn't hold his jock strap in their primes.

Duncan, Ali's wife or girlfriend or whoever said that shortly after that fight, Ali would shake and punch in his sleep.

[butterfly1964]

i gotta say that they sort of did fight in 1970. and i have to say that ali wasn't dancing circles around anyone. it went 15 and ali wasn't sharp. you douche.

It was a misprint. I meant to say 1968. so there.