Calzaghe vs Dawson at 175 lbs

[The Surgeon]

lol
off topic:
Is the Berto-Ortiz fight worth checking out?

Oh defo man, its an absaloute cracker! Get on it man

[Toney616]

Oh defo man, its an absaloute cracker! Get on it man

Thanks for the heads up. off to upload it now

[Scott9945]

Its the slapping that turned me off initially too, now its like his very exsistance offends me! I hate him more than anyone the sport has ever known, other than mabey Margarito for the loaded gloves scandal.

Shame as even i can see Joe had some great attributes, im not listing them tho - **** em! lol


Im a Hater and i hate the guy so much i dont even care.

If only Sonnyboy had been that honest...

[Toney616]

If only Sonnyboy had been that honest...

Has he been banned?

[RubenSonny]

Winky had been trying to get a shot at Hopkins for a while but Hopkins wasn't interested, so Winky worked his way up become his wbc mandatory. Taylor at that point was a green contender whose best win was over a washed up Joppy. That fight was only big news because of the whole Hopkins Dibelle feud

After his debatable loss to Liles, Nunn would ask Jones for a fight and Jones would refuse. Nunn would start to bad mouth his opponents and nothing happened. So Nunn worked his way to become his mandatory to force a fight and Jones vacated his wbc lhw belt instead. After Nunn had lost to Graciano Jones decided he wanted his belt back again. Nunn was past his best at lhw no doubt about that, but he was miles better than most of the guys Jones would fight at lhw

HBO begged Jones not to fight guys like Frazier and Woods but Jones said he had to fight them because they were his mandos. Even a green Tarver was much better than Frazier, Woods and Glen Kelly

If you refuse to fight your mandos then it is a duck

lol

Thanks for the info, I don't go by mandatories (corrupt rankings), Lennox Lewis not fighting Ruiz is not a duck IMO. You are right though Winky deserved the shot over Taylor, I will concede that point but Hopkins wasn't planning on losing, had he won Winky probably would've got the shot, don't forget HBO are a BIG factor and Taylor had their muscle behind him.

Nunn wasn't a big player in the division in the time and I wouldn't call him better than someone like Virgil Hill, their wasn't particularly high demand for the fight and it wasn't like he was a big threat, I can't call it a duck.

The fact is Jones fought the best version of Tarver and thats all that counts in the end, Calzaghe fought far worse comp anyway.

[Toney616]

Thanks for the info,

Your welcome

I don't go by mandatories (corrupt rankings)

True.

Lennox Lewis not fighting Ruiz is not a duck IMO.

Depends how you look at it. HBO were willing to air Lewis-Ruiz though. Either way I wouldn't of watched that fight, lol

You are right though Winky deserved the shot over Taylor, I will concede that point but Hopkins wasn't planning on losing, had he won Winky probably would've got the shot, don't forget HBO are a BIG factor and Taylor had their muscle behind him.

True, but that would of been because Hopkins had no choice

Nunn wasn't a big player in the division in the time and I wouldn't call him better than someone like Virgil Hill, their wasn't particularly high demand for the fight and it wasn't like he was a big threat, I can't call it a duck.

When Jones fought McCallum Hill would call him out and Jones would turn him down saying that Hill hadn't fought anyone except Hearns and he had lost that fight. He would then go on and face Griffin. Its the reason that Hill was in the crowd hoping to fight the winner of Jones-Griffin. Those guys decided to have a rematch, so Hill decided fight other opponents. By the time a Jones-Hill fight was made Hill hadn't fought in a year, could no longer make the lhw limit, and was coming off a loss to Darius.m. So a win over that version of Hill doesn't mean much.

HBO wanted Jones-Nunn because they were hoping to put together a lhw tournament to crown a fighter the undisputed champion:

Jones announced he couldn't care less about the
title or about a light heavyweight HBO tournament that would crown a
unified champion and pay him several million dollars per fight.

Instead, he fractured the title further by giving his up rather than
defending it against No. 1 contender Michael Nunn, and then announced he
would move up to the heavyweight division because he needed a
multimillion-dollar payday.

https://groups.google.com/group/rec....edef2ab2dfbfd9

The fact is Jones fought the best version of Tarver and thats all that counts in the end,

And at the end of the day he is 1*-2 against Tarver, with many observers (myself included) having him losing their first fight as well

Calzaghe fought far worse comp anyway.

Jones has a better resume than Calzaghe no doubt about that, but Hopkins resume is about equal to Calzaghe's:

Best wins:
Hopkins > Tarver
Hopkins proved he was a better fighter than Tarver by winning every single round and Calzaghe beat Hopkins
Kessler=Tito
Tito didn't really do much at mw except beat fringe contender Joppy, Kessler best win is Froch
Eubank=Oscar
Oscar lost the Sturm fight and got a gift and he basically quit against Hopkins
Lacy=Pavlik
Both 1 dimensional punchers and Pavlik was fighting 2 divisions above his prime weight class
Reid=Joppy
Neither were anything special
Jones=Winky
Pointless fights
Manfredo=Jones
Pointless fights
Sheika=Johnson
Sheika beat Johnson at smw
Brewer=Holmes

Missed competition:
Calzaghe:
Johnson: Calzaghe pulled out of their fight three times
Pavlik: He should of fought him instead of Jones

Hopkins:
Jones, Toney, Dawson, Ademek, Green, Calzaghe(2002)

Draws:
Hopkins drew with a journeyman called Segundo Mercado

Losses:
Hopkins:
Mitchell, Jones, Calzaghe, Taylor I, Taylor II
The best opponents Hopkins faced who were comparble to him in size were:
Taylor I, Taylor I, Calzaghe, Tarver and Jones and he is 1-4 against them

No Contests:
Hopkins dived through the hopes because he was having a hard time with a green contender called Robert Allen

Intangibles:
Calzaghe always fought within the rules to win, while Hopkins cheats to win

[SplitSecond]

Taylor at that point was a green contender whose best win was over a washed up Joppy. That fight was only big news because of the whole Hopkins-Dibella feud

After his debatable loss to Liles, Nunn and Arum would try to make a Jones-Nunn fight happen. Failing that, Nunn worked his way up to become his mandatory to force a fight and Jones vacated his wbc lhw belt instead. After Nunn had lost to Graciano Jones decided he wanted his belt back again. Nunn was past his best at lhw no doubt about that, but he was miles better than most of the guys Jones would fight at lhw

HBO begged Jones not to fight guys like Frazier and Woods but Jones said he had to fight them because they were his mandos. Even a green Tarver was much better than Frazier, Woods and Glen Kelly

If you refuse to fight your mandos then it is a duck

lol

jones signed a fight with douglas, he vacated and was moving up, but his father urged him otherwise so he pulled out of the douglas fight and went back to LHW, the wbc gave jones his title back but graciano had paid the fees and so felt they should both meet, graciano was a no show at the conference, so the wbc said jones was the real wbc champ

anyway, hill and griffin were better wins than nunn at lhw

[SplitSecond]

Your welcome

True.

Depends how you look at it. HBO were willing to air Lewis-Ruiz though. Either way I wouldn't of watched that fight, lol

True, but that would of been because Hopkins had no choice

When Jones fought McCallum Hill would call him out and Jones would turn him down saying that Hill hadn't fought anyone except Hearns and he had lost that fight. He would then go on and face Griffin. Its the reason that Hill was in the crowd hoping to fight the winner of Jones-Griffin. Those guys decided to have a rematch, so Hill decided fight other opponents. By the time a Jones-Hill fight was made Hill hadn't fought in a year, could no longer make the lhw limit, and was coming off a loss to Darius.m. So a win over that version of Hill doesn't mean much.

and jones also hadn't fought a year before fighting hill
could'nt make the limit and jones gave him a catchweight, that was nice of him

[$Bullsfam$]

no point in explaining that to him. nate is a racist ******

Says the man who on the daily basis puts the N word in my karma and just yeserday wrote "black filth, die scum".

I don't have to defend ***** when all your arguments are on the Hopkins-Jones fights. Thats absolutely ridicuclous. 5 years earlier in their primes Hopkins & Jones would have ****d Calzaghe.

Yeah Joe had a sore ass case of the vagina. Glenn Johnson would have murked him easily. Why the **** should Hopkins & Jones fight him back in their primes? He was a nobody hiding in europe with svette hahahahaha

[awais]

lets be honest here, dawson was the reason calzaghe retired. other than dawsons own laziness and lack of focus, he outclasses calzaghe skillwise