Eder Jofre vs Ruben Olivares at Bantamweight

[Quarry]

Based on the fact that Jofre is the concensus GOAT at Bantamweight and Olivares isn't in that class. The collective wisdom of boxing historians >>>>>>>>> Quarry.

Poet

the IBHOF have Olivares as the greatest bantamweight in history so your claim "he isn't in that class" is incorrect. Jofre's opponents leave him open to debate as far as who did he beat.

[JAB5239]

the IBHOF have Olivares as the greatest bantamweight in history so your claim "he isn't in that class" is incorrect. Jofre's opponents leave him open to debate as far as who did he beat.

http://www.ibroresearch.com/?p=451

[StarshipTrooper]

the IBHOF have Olivares as the greatest bantamweight in history so your claim "he isn't in that class" is incorrect. Jofre's opponents leave him open to debate as far as who did he beat.

JAB's posted link proves your claim is a lie. Regardless, the IBOF is a joke (as their rating of Chandler at 13 proves) and few boxing historians' lists would tally closely with anything the IBOF puts out. If that's where you go for your info then you'll never want for moonshine. You may as well use that other joke Bert Sugar.....either way a laughable source.

Poet

[Quarry]

http://www.ibroresearch.com/?p=451

a similar link as that can be put up for SRR, Ali, A.Moore or A.Pryor and those links are open to debate just like Jofre's record is open to debate. IMO no ATG champion is more open to scrutiny that Jofre, his quality of opponent is the worst of any ATG i can think of with him losing to the best fighter he ever fought.

[JAB5239]

a similar link as that can be put up for SRR, Ali, A.Moore or A.Pryor and those links are open to debate just like Jofre's record is open to debate. IMO no ATG champion is more open to scrutiny that Jofre, his quality of opponent is the worst of any ATG i can think of with him losing to the best fighter he ever fought.

Personally I'd like to see the link to the IBHOF where it has Oliveres ranked the greatest bantam ever. sorry but I'll take the collective wisdom of guys who comb over a fighters career over yours any day. You've proven you have very limited knowledge of the sport .

[Steak]

I agree that Jofre is a bit overrated in terms of who he beat. I think Olivares beat better competition overall.

I also think its a shame that Manuel Ortiz doesnt get a fair claim at best bantamweight ever, since he beat more top competition than Jofre.

[IronDanHamza]

I agree that Jofre is a bit overrated in terms of who he beat. I think Olivares beat better competition overall.

I also think its a shame that Manuel Ortiz doesnt get a fair claim at best bantamweight ever, since he beat more top competition than Jofre.

Manuel Ortiz is my favourite Bantamweight ever.

But he isn't greater than Eder Jofre, I don't see that.

I was about to make a thread on him, actually.

[Quarry]

Personally I'd like to see the link to the IBHOF where it has Oliveres ranked the greatest bantam ever. sorry but I'll take the collective wisdom of guys who comb over a fighters career over yours any day. You've proven you have very limited knowledge of the sport .

The IBHOF have these fighters as the best in the division

Heavyweight - Joe Louis
L.Heavweight - Archie Moore
Middleweight - Ray Robinson
Welterweight - Ray Robinson
L.Welterweight - Aaron Pryor
Lightweight - Roberto Duran
Featherweight - Alexis Arguello
Bantamweight - Ruben Olivares
Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde

[JAB5239]

The IBHOF have these fighters as the best in the division

Heavyweight - Joe Louis
L.Heavweight - Archie Moore
Middleweight - Ray Robinson
Welterweight - Ray Robinson
L.Welterweight - Aaron Pryor
Lightweight - Roberto Duran
Featherweight - Alexis Arguello
Bantamweight - Ruben Olivares
Flyweight - Jimmy Wilde

Can we get a link please, because I can't find a thing that says this on their web site.

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/10non.html

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/jofre.htm

http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=11082&more=1

[Quarry]

Can we get a link please, because I can't find a thing that says this on their web site.

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/10non.html

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/jofre.htm

http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=11082&more=1

your link on Jofre is all by the same IBRO so not really independent, The IBHOF listings should be easy enough for you to find in the meantime here is another excellent article which was judged by a panel 2nd to none hope you enjoy the read.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/b...y-1132609.html