Who was the best offensive fighter in history

[studentofthegam]

Yes but, Mayweather draws a lot of money because he is the best.

If Mayweather wasn't good there would be no fun in watching him.

The same cannot be said for Pacquiao who is a great offensive machine (Probably just short of the top bracket ie: Robinson) has great heart and is entertaining.

Thats the whole deal. The thread is about offensive fighters and as you said Pac's an offensive machine. Poet is just stuck in his ways. If we use that logic then there would never be anymore great fighters.

[joseph5620]

Yes but, Mayweather draws a lot of money because he is the best.

If Mayweather wasn't good there would be no fun in watching him.

The same cannot be said for Pacquiao who is a great offensive machine (Probably just short of the top bracket ie: Robinson) has great heart and is entertaining.

I agree with that.

[StarshipTrooper]

Poet is just stuck in his ways. If we use that logic then there would never be anymore great fighters.

Funny, but last time I checked I had Holyfield ranked #7 all-time at Heavyweight, Roy Jones ranked #6 all-time at Light-Heavyweight, Bernard Hopkins ranked #6 all-time at Middleweight, and Shane Mosley ranked #13 all-time at Welterweight. Active fighters one and all. If we used YOUR logic, all ATG lists would get flushed each generation to reflect whatever the current top-ten in each division are. Afterall, occording to YOUR logic, dead guys can't be great cuz they're dead.

Poet

[Barn]

Thats the whole deal. The thread is about offensive fighters and as you said Pac's an offensive machine. Poet is just stuck in his ways. If we use that logic then there would never be anymore great fighters.

Yes but, short of the likes of: Hearns, Robinson, Louis and Armstrong.

[StarshipTrooper]

I think Poet was referring to Boxing as a whole not just this time period.

If Pac and Floyd were not around someone else would just take their spot as the best fighters and draw the most money surely?

Precisely. If Pac and May didn't exist someone else would get hyped into a money-maker. That just how it works.

My overall point is that no particular fighter is bigger than the sport. There have been many great fighters in boxing over the last 100+ years so the sport isn't going to roll over and die simply because there's two less.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

He knows it too. I'm 30 and I vowed never to be one of those old mf's who always says **** was better 20 years ago. "Tomlison that aint a runnin back, Now Jim Brown and Riggins those are real runnin backs" No their all good just lived in different time periods.

So instead you became the exact opposite: "Those dudes were good in their day but today's are the best ever" :bull****9:

Poet

[studentofthegam]

So instead you became the exact opposite: "Those dudes were good in their day but today's are the best ever" :bull****9:

Poet

To be an A student you sure dont comprehend well. My point is that they're all good. Are those not my exact words? Stop trying to guess what I think and read what Im telling you. Check my answer to the thread and neither of my picks are fighting anymore. But like I'll say once again for the remedial "I can not **** on a person for choosing PAC in this particular categorie". Tighten up "A" student. Its not a crime to say an active fighter at the top of their game is as good as any fighter from any other era. It's all opinion.

[studentofthegam]

Precisely. If Pac and May didn't exist someone else would get hyped into a money-maker. That just how it works.

My overall point is that no particular fighter is bigger than the sport. There have been many great fighters in boxing over the last 100+ years so the sport isn't going to roll over and die simply because there's two less.

Poet

If there wasnt bodies of water there would be no need for boats. How is saying a guy is a great offensive fighter making him bigger than the sport. No era has ever changed in that aspect. There are elites and then there are the rest.

[TouchyAndalou]

Yes but, Mayweather draws a lot of money because he is the best.

If Mayweather wasn't good there would be no fun in watching him.

Mayweather's ability is of course a contributing factor towards his commercial success, but not the main one, I don't think. I mean before he fought Oscar, he was likely still the best in the sport, but drew nowhere near the figures he does now. It's just as much if not more his ostentatious personality and the overall dislike factor that has seen him rise to sport-topping numbers, coupled with the exposure he and his act received courtesy of that Oscar fight.

The sport being where it is at the moment, I don't think we can just assume that should Pacquiao and Mayweather retire, there are ready-made replacements waiting to do the same or similar numbers. It's not impossible, because Mayweather and Pacquiao's rise to commercial dominance occurred over a relatively short period of time, but it could be that their appeal is just unique compared to the rest of the current crop of fighters. For instance, imagine both those guys retire tomorrow, and Andre Ward wins the Super Six, beats Lucian Bute and becomes recognised as the no.1 p4p fighter in the sport, which is not beyond the realms of possibility. Does that mean that being the best in boxing, Ward automatically sees his stock sky-rocket to 1 million+ payperview figures? I'd argue not, based on what I know about Andre Ward and his potential appeal.

I think the two most natural looking successors to Floyd and Manny, at least in the short term, may be Martinez and Gamboa, although their prospects appear somewhat limited due to their inability to speak English, and not to mention Martinez's age. Valero had a shot too, but he's, you know, sort of dead. Actually, thinking about it, Donaire, despite his laid back persona, may be the most ready-made future star, especially if he picks up the feverish support of the Filipino population following Pacquiao's retirement.

[TouchyAndalou]

Funny, but last time I checked I had Holyfield ranked #7 all-time at Heavyweight, Roy Jones ranked #6 all-time at Light-Heavyweight, Bernard Hopkins ranked #6 all-time at Middleweight, and Shane Mosley ranked #13 all-time at Welterweight. Active fighters one and all.

Yeah but you don't have Anthony Mundine at #2 all-time at Light-Middleweight, which proves that you're just a hater!

Or do you...?