Jeff Fenech's ATG status?

[StarshipTrooper]

yep, Ali's losses to Berbick and Spinks completely kill his legacy. Roy Jones isnt an ATG either, nope, he lost too often.

get outta here. Fenech beat a lot of quality fighters, and was undefeated over 4 weight classes. He was done with boxing after a year and 3 month layoff, any loss after the second Nelson fight is irrelevant.

Yeah, and Samart Payakaroon was the second coming of Roberto Duran rather than an obscure joke of a belt-holder that are dime-a-dozen with the Alphabet Soup boys :hahahaha9:

Poet

[Steak]

Yeah, and Samart Payakaroon was the second coming of Roberto Duran rather than an obscure joke of a belt-holder that are dime-a-dozen with the Alphabet Soup boys :hahahaha9:

Poet

Payakaroon was the best in the division with back to back KO wins over Pintor and Juan Meza. who the hell else could have been #1? it was obviously a good win. as was Fenech's wins over Nelson, Zaragoza, Martinez, (old) Zarate, Richardson and Villasana.

stop being such an idiot. your bias just kills anything you have to say.

[StarshipTrooper]

Payakaroon was the best in the division with back to back KO wins over Pintor and Juan Meza. who the hell else could have been #1? it was obviously a good win. as was Fenech's wins over Nelson, Zaragoza, Martinez, (old) Zarate, Richardson and Villasana.

stop being such an idiot. your bias just kills anything you have to say.

Your gross ******ity and general ignorance of boxing kills anything you have to say. I know it's a HUGE blow to your moronic world view but I'm sorry not all fighters are created equal.

Poet

[Steak]

Your gross ******ity and general ignorance of boxing kills anything you have to say. I know it's a HUGE blow to your moronic world view but I'm sorry not all fighters are created equal.

Poet

oh excellent, you dont have any real argument at all and have resorted to half assed generic insults that have nothing to do with the topic. what a surprise!

Fenech was an excellent fighter with plenty of quality wins. You're an idiot.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

oh excellent, you dont have any real argument at all and have resorted to half assed generic insults that have nothing to do with the topic. what a surprise!

Fenech was an excellent fighter with plenty of quality wins. You're an idiot.

Poet

You're a moron who'd be shot in any sane society before you could pass on your ****** genes to any offspring. Funny how how you scream "bias" any time someone calls you on your bull**** when you elevate fighters who were mearly solid to ATG status.

Steak

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poet682006, spiteful wanker since 2007 - some things never change.

As for the topic question, Jeff Fenech was as tough as nails, exciting fighter to watch and has several solid names on his resume, which have already been mentioned, but I don't recognise Fenech as an All-Time-Great. Fighters like Ali, Robinson, Greb, Louis, Langford etc, they are bonafide, true ATG's. Fenech is ostensibly a good fighter worthy of Hall of Fame status, nothing more, nothing less.

Definitely not an ATG.

[Pastrano]

Then how do you come up with he was "on the slide" with nothing to back it? Other than he lost the fights? You can't use that as an excuse every time a fighter loses. Especially in the case of the Nelson rematch which happened only 9 months later.

Because other sportswriters remarked the same, ok?? How da fak else could he get stopped by GROVE?!? The warrior Fenech, famed for his tenacity and ruggedness DOESN'T get stopped by fighters like Grove.

[Pastrano]

You're a moron who'd be shot in any sane society before you could pass on your ****** genes to any offspring. Funny how how you scream "bias" any time someone calls you on your bull**** when you elevate fighters who were mearly solid to ATG status.

Steak

I guess if Fenech had been American, you'd automatically put him among the ATGs, right? Youre nothin but a troll.

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Every individual has their own definition of what constitutes an 'ATG', so using the criteria of some, yes, Fenech may fall under the 'ATG' banner, but others may have much more refined or exclusive guidelines as to whether fighter 'X' is worthy of the title.

As mentioned previously, my ATG list will only comprise the crème de la crème, and grouping Fenech with the likes of Louis or Armstrong would not be reasonable - especially considering I only factor in the elite when judging by strength of opposition, resume, skills/style, achievements, intangibles etc etc

[Pastrano]

Every individual has their own definition of what constitutes an 'ATG', so using the criteria of some, yes, Fenech may fall under the 'ATG' banner, but others may have much more refined or exclusive guidelines as to whether fighter 'X' is worthy of the title.

As mentioned previously, my ATG list will only comprise the crème de la crème, and grouping Fenech with the likes of Louis or Armstrong would not be reasonable - especially considering I only factor in the elite when judging by strength of opposition, resume, skills/style, achievements, intangibles etc etc

Have you seen his first fight with Nelson?! Anybody who has seen it should know that Fenech was ATG material. Unfortunately he never got the decision, so he couldn't officially become a 4-division champ. But screw that, in reality he WAS. He beat the best oposition of his time and there was some stiff oposition around at that time. Payakaroon was a helluva puncher, undefeated at the time and had just koed Lupe Pintor and Juan Meza. Fenech easily disposed of him in 4. He also beat Mario Martinez, who gave both Nelson and Chavez tough fights. Marcos Villasana, who later became champion and ruled for some time as well. Zarate might have not been prime anymore, but he wasn't washed up either. Zaragoza of course needs no introduction. Very few could withstand Fenech's relentless attack, even today. I think even Mayweather himself would have problems staying away and defending himself if they ever fought.

I think the problem is that he never remained in one division long enough to really dominate it and make a lot of defenses, so maybe thats why some are doubting his ATG status, but he beat the best guys in those divisions.