How much did those 2 lbs affect Cotto...

[BigStereotype]

that amount of weight should have no impact on the outcome or performance of a fighter

What? If a guy has to kill himself to get down to a weight, then it's obviously going to have an impact. Tell that to Jake LaMotta.

[BigStereotype]

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[The Surgeon]

Well Cotto was a Tank of a WW and its a well known fact that sometimes when a fighter is struggling at the weight that they come in a pound or two UNDER the limit through completely drying out and stuff. One pound two pounds, whatever it dont sound much but if the first 10 were brutal then those last one or two can make all the difference. It probably did effect him, he is far to classy to say anything about it but im sure Steward has said Cotto mentioned it to him. But as a Massive Cotto fan i have to say i feel the better man won and would have even at the full 147.

Manny really pisses me off with this type of crap tho, why does he need to make his opponent shed that extra weight and drain them? He's better than that and it cheapens his wins. Its nonsense that a fighter can contest for a title but demand that champion or fellow contestant only weigh X amount - LESS than the division limit for that title

[CarlosG815]

Well Cotto was a Tank of a WW and its a well known fact that sometimes when a fighter is struggling at the weight that they come in a pound or two UNDER the limit through completely drying out and stuff. One pound two pounds, whatever it dont sound much but if the first 10 were brutal then those last one or two can make all the difference. It probably did effect him, he is far to classy to say anything about it but im sure Steward has said Cotto mentioned it to him. But as a Massive Cotto fan i have to say i feel the better man won and would have even at the full 147.

Manny really pisses me off with this type of crap tho, why does he need to make his opponent shed that extra weight and drain them? He's better than that and it cheapens his wins. Its nonsense that a fighter can contest for a title but demand that champion or fellow contestant only weigh X amount - LESS than the division limit for that title

I totally agree with this. I'm not sure what to think. On one hand I feel that Cotto is not close to the caliber of fighter that Manny is and that the two pounds would not make any difference in the outcome, as Cotto is just not as good. On the other side of the coin, if that is true, why does Manny need those 2 pounds. I can't see it making too much of a difference, so maybe it is just a psychological thing and it's something that Roach uses to get into the opposition's head.

[IronDanHamza]

I don't think it made a single difference and if Cotto was allowed to weigh in at 147 the exact same outcome happens.

So the real question is, Why have the catchweight in the first place?

[New England]

he looked markedly less impressive at the weigh in coming in at 145 than he had against clottey coming in at 147

i remember discussing this with some folk while watching the weigh in live and they agreed with me at the time


i dont think he would have won the fight if he hadnt been docked the extra two lbs
but cotto's performance must have been effected
and it should be remembered when we look back at pacquiaos legacy


to say he's been matched well is the understatement of the century


if he fights cotto at 154

all is forgiven for now

if he fights sergio at 157 or above
all is forgiven forever

[JAB5239]

he looked markedly less impressive at the weigh in coming in at 145 than he had against clottey coming in at 147

i remember discussing this with some folk while watching the weigh in live and they agreed with me at the time


i dont think he would have won the fight if he hadnt been docked the extra two lbs
but cotto's performance must have been effected
and it should be remembered when we look back at pacquiaos legacy


to say he's been matched well is the understatement of the century


if he fights cotto at 154

all is forgiven for now

if he fights sergio at 157 or above
all is forgiven forever

He weighed in at 146 for Clottey and how he looked against Pac compared to that fight has to be chalked up to level of competition.

[oc9979]

I totally agree with this. I'm not sure what to think. On one hand I feel that Cotto is not close to the caliber of fighter that Manny is and that the two pounds would not make any difference in the outcome, as Cotto is just not as good. On the other side of the coin, if that is true, why does Manny need those 2 pounds. I can't see it making too much of a difference, so maybe it is just a psychological thing and it's something that Roach uses to get into the opposition's head.

The penalty and the weight had a psychological meaning. If he doesn't make the weight he gotta pay up a big part of his purse.

Some people fail to realize that some fighter make weight one fight and the next fight they dont make the weight. People think just because he was 146 last time he is not struggling to make weight.

[JAB5239]

The penalty and the weight had a psychological meaning. If he doesn't make the weight he gotta pay up a big part of his purse.

Some people fail to realize that some fighter make weight one fight and the next fight they dont make the weight. People think just because he was 146 last time he is not struggling to make weight.

In many cases what you're saying is true. But Im not aware of Cotto struggling before or leading up to the Pacquiao fight and looked in great shape going in. The possibility is there, but history (5 of Cotto's 9 fights at 147 he came in under the limit) would suggest it wasn't the weight but the step up in competition. Jmo.

[Steak]

Although I dont think it made much difference, it does kind of ask the question: If it made no difference, why did Roach require it?

wish the fight wouldve simply happened at 147. oh well.