Why Lennox Could Be Ranked Top 3 (snapshot of an era)

[Joeyzagz]

my point is that all those fighters who held a version of the title during the 1990s was "At The Top of their Game" and Lewis was offered career highest paydays on many occasions to fight many of those fighters yet he refused and instead he fought a bunch of exposed fighters who was all on the downside of their careers and was exposed.. yet you are claiming his resume to be the equal of Muhammad Ali's which is ridiculous..

-Was Patterson not 3 times KO'd when Ali beat him?

-Was Joe Frazier not coming off one of the most brutal defeats in Heavyweight history when Ali beat him?

-Was George Foreman not poisoned injured and harassed in Zaire when Ali beat him?

-Was Willard not FAT, OLD, and INACTIVE when Dempsey beat him?

-Was Wills not at the top of his game when Dempsey didnt fight him?

You see, there is a story/excuse behind every win, loss, and missed fight. Even the most perfect boxers can be discredited by exaggerating negatives, stretching facts and putting stock into every sht.brained rumour that comes down the pike.

Whether you choose to view Lennox's record at face value or through a looking glass, he will always shake out near the top if the other heavyweights are judged under that same level of scrutiny.

[Barn]

Foreman was poisoned lmao.

[Joeyzagz]

Foreman was poisoned lmao.

According to his handlers. About as sloppy an excuse as Golota's panic attacks.

Dont get me started on the Liston and Nortonbouts.

[CarlosG815]

According to his handlers. About as sloppy an excuse as Golota's panic attacks.

Dont get me started on the Liston and Nortonbouts.

JoeyZags you are a joke and that is why everybody is laughing at you. You have a ****** Calzaghe avatar stating ATG when it is a well known fact that he is not, yet you have that there to bait people and stir controversy. This thread, and every post you make is to simply bait people into an argument about the greatness of those two fighters.

You are a textbook troll and you should be banned from this section.

[sonnyboyx2]

-Was Patterson not 3 times KO'd when Ali beat him?

-Was Joe Frazier not coming off one of the most brutal defeats in Heavyweight history when Ali beat him?

-Was George Foreman not poisoned injured and harassed in Zaire when Ali beat him?

-Was Willard not FAT, OLD, and INACTIVE when Dempsey beat him?

-Was Wills not at the top of his game when Dempsey didnt fight him?

You see, there is a story/excuse behind every win, loss, and missed fight. Even the most perfect boxers can be discredited by exaggerating negatives, stretching facts and putting stock into every sht.brained rumour that comes down the pike.

Whether you choose to view Lennox's record at face value or through a looking glass, he will always shake out near the top if the other heavyweights are judged under that same level of scrutiny.

Patterson was KOd 3 times by fighters who was "At the Top of their Game" not mediocre journeymen/sparring partners like McCall & Rahman and Patterson fought lots of fighters who was at the top of their game throughout his whole career, he never avoided them like Lewis did.

Ali beat Frazier (2) when Frazier was not the champion he was coming in off a very good victory over Joe Bugner and was a top rated fighter... Foreman's defeat of Frazier was nothing like Lewis defeats to McCall & Rahman.. Frazier was down six times yet was on his feet and ready to go when the fight was stopped, Lewis was falling around against McCall and flat out against Rahman with Foreman being 10 times what those two fighters are.

Do you have evidence that Foreman was poisoned?

i certainly would not claim Willard was "FAT" when he fought Dempsey yet accept he was inactive.

Harry Wills was on the slide when he was shouting for a fight with Dempsey....Sam Langford, when asked how Harry Wills (whom he fought 18 times in his career) would do against Jack Dempsey, said in the June 5, 1922, Atlanta Constitution "Well if he ever fights Dempsey my money will be on the present champion. Dempsey is the greatest fighter I have ever seen. He hits twice as hard as Jim Jeffries and is as fast in the ring as James J. Corbett."

i disagree with you that Lewis comes out near the top when records and careers are scrutinized because no other champion in history was poleaxed like Lewis was by mediocre journeymen when champion and no other champion was stripped of every belt for refusing to fight the No1 contenders... and like i have said many times over the reason he would not fight those No1 contenders was because they was "At The Top of their Game" and Lewis never fought any fighters who was at the top of their game so was never going to risk his chin against No1 contenders.

[JAB5239]

-Was Patterson not 3 times KO'd when Ali beat him?

-Was Joe Frazier not coming off one of the most brutal defeats in Heavyweight history when Ali beat him?

-Was George Foreman not poisoned injured and harassed in Zaire when Ali beat him?

-Was Willard not FAT, OLD, and INACTIVE when Dempsey beat him?

-Was Wills not at the top of his game when Dempsey didnt fight him?

You see, there is a story/excuse behind every win, loss, and missed fight. Even the most perfect boxers can be discredited by exaggerating negatives, stretching facts and putting stock into every sht.brained rumour that comes down the pike.

Whether you choose to view Lennox's record at face value or through a looking glass, he will always shake out near the top if the other heavyweights are judged under that same level of scrutiny.

Very good post!!

[Joeyzagz]

Patterson was KOd 3 times by fighters who was "At the Top of their Game" not mediocre journeymen/sparring partners like McCall & Rahman and Patterson fought lots of fighters who was at the top of their game throughout his whole career, he never avoided them like Lewis did.

Ali beat Frazier (2) when Frazier was not the champion he was coming in off a very good victory over Joe Bugner and was a top rated fighter... Foreman's defeat of Frazier was nothing like Lewis defeats to McCall & Rahman.. Frazier was down six times yet was on his feet and ready to go when the fight was stopped, Lewis was falling around against McCall and flat out against Rahman with Foreman being 10 times what those two fighters are.

Do you have evidence that Foreman was poisoned?

i certainly would not claim Willard was "FAT" when he fought Dempsey yet accept he was inactive.

Harry Wills was on the slide when he was shouting for a fight with Dempsey....Sam Langford, when asked how Harry Wills (whom he fought 18 times in his career) would do against Jack Dempsey, said in the June 5, 1922, Atlanta Constitution "Well if he ever fights Dempsey my money will be on the present champion. Dempsey is the greatest fighter I have ever seen. He hits twice as hard as Jim Jeffries and is as fast in the ring as James J. Corbett."

i disagree with you that Lewis comes out near the top when records and careers are scrutinized because no other champion in history was poleaxed like Lewis was by mediocre journeymen when champion and no other champion was stripped of every belt for refusing to fight the No1 contenders... and like i have said many times over the reason he would not fight those No1 contenders was because they was "At The Top of their Game" and Lewis never fought any fighters who was at the top of their game so was never going to risk his chin against No1 contenders.

-If Lennox beat Patterson after Patterson had been KOd 3 times you would cry ****. You would never accept Lennox facing a fighter who had been KOd 3 times.

-Foreman wrote in his book that Sadler handed him a glass of water that tasted like medicine. Foreman noticed himself growing weak, and that it played a major role in the fight. Its about as plausible as Golotas Panic excuse.

-Harry Wills fought around 30 fighters from 1917-1925, and beat every single one,.He was clearly at the top of his game and the top contnder of the early 20's.

- Lewis avenging a KO loss at age 36 trumps any petty criticism you have against him. Forget about the physical aspect of this feat..how many boxers can psychologically come back from something like that, knowing that time is not on their side?

Not many Heavyweights can say they have wins over the Top 5 contemporaries of their era...There is Ali, Louis, Lennox, Marciano and after that it gets pretty sparse.

[Wild Blue Yonda]

Whenever did Frazier go from a devastating loss straight to a fight with Ali?

That's news to me.

[Toney616]

The Lennox Era
1. Evander Holyfield
2. Mike Tyson
3. Vitali Klitschko
4. Rid**** Bowe
5. David Tua
6. Razor Ruddock
7. Tony Tucker
8. Frank Bruno
9. Ray Mercer
10. Tommy Morrison

How many other HWs can produce a snaphot of their era that is both complete and impressive? Using only resume' victories?

Holyfield was way over the hill
Tyson was practically shot
He didnt fight Bowe
Tucker was way over the hill due to his ongoing ******* addiction
Morrison was nothing special

So you are left with:
Vitali Klitschko
David Tua
Razor Ruddock
Frank Bruno
Ray Mercer

His losses to Rahman and McCall should keep him out of the ATG top ten. I would place him in the 11-20 range

[Jim Jeffries]

Joe Calzaghe beat Chris Byrd in the AMs.

That makes Joe HW champ. :shootself:




Calzaghe, a southpaw, began boxing at age nine. In more than 12 amateur contests, he won four schoolboy ABA titles, followed by three consecutive senior British ABA titles (British Championships) between 1991 and 1993. This made him only the second boxer in history to win in welter, light-middleweight and middleweight divisions. He also beat future WBO and IBF world heavyweight champion Chris Byrd as a middleweight in 1992.

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