How many top slick blacks did Duran fight before Leonard?

[Steak]

Sorry, but slick is one of those boxing words that gets thrown about a lot in boxing. I guess it refers to the ability of a fighter to hit and not be hit. BHop has been quoted as saying that the word describes the fighting style of AA fighters from the inner cities.

I found the Costello-Mamby fight here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-x7IwuDHkg

It's just one fight, but Mamby isn't much of a slickster. He is a mobile boxer, yes, but doesn't really roll, slip and slide effectively.

BHop also thinks Australia is part of Europe.

For future reference, if you want to call a fighter good at 'hitting and not being hit', then just say defensively sound or something instead. Otherwise people constantly get hung up on the definition instead of actual boxing.

what about Ray Lampkin or Monroe Brooks, or Edwin Viruet?
also picking a fight of Mamby's near the end of his career isnt really fair.

[eli porter]

There are many definitions of slick. It used to and still to me means effortless, not defensive or offensive skills but smooth.

When a man approaches a women, spits his game, and does it with such ease; gets her number. I would call him slick. Only if he makes it look effortless, he didn't plan the approach before hand; just goes with the flow. Few people can do this at any given moment.

It's the same with boxing. The most effortless or slick boxer to ever live is The Bible of Boxing; Wilferd Benitez. In his short lived prime he could adapt to any style.

Sugar Ray Leonard on fighting Benitez;

"It was like fighting your own reflection. He knew what punches you're going to throw before you threw it. Angelo (trainer) told me to go to the body, but he was right in front of me. I couldn't hit him."

Eros, let it be known that anytime, anywhere when speaking about slickness it should forever mean effortless.

So it's a useless definition then?

[New England]

i'm still loling at the institution created by bernard hopkins


according to bernard hopkins this "Slick" black style in boxing comes from the streets...... and not the other way around.



Though not black, Was lou bizarro slick? slippery maybe.... but slick
.... ehhh

i'm gonna go with "bike rider" and not slickster

[BennyST]

Geez, people get a bit caught up on semantics don't they?

Ernesto Marcel was slick, Buchanan was slick (but he wasn't black!), Mamby was slick (not against Costello though), as was Brooks, Lampkin, etc.

Either way, fighters can be slick with their offense or defense. Both too. Classically though, in boxing anyway, it has been used to describe anyone who was slippery on defense and had good counters. That's the way it had always been used in the gym to describe a boxer.

James Toney was slick. Roy Jones was slick. Willie Pep was slick. Benny Leonard was slick. Benitez was slick.

Angelo Dundee was described Duran as slick and cute based off how he would evade shots and come back without the opponent knowing/thinking he could.

It can describe moves, such as the ones Dundee was describing or the entire style of a fighter like Pep.

Mike McCallum was slick as were Kalambay. They had different styles though. Herol Graham was slick, but he was awkward and unorthodox too.

It's not a black thing. Johnny Famechon, a very white guy, was slicker than 98% of black fighters. It's not a black urban style thing as Hopkins describes it as either. It's just what it is.

[CarlosG815]

Geez, people get a bit caught up on semantics don't they?

Ernesto Marcel was slick, Buchanan was slick (but he wasn't black!), Mamby was slick (not against Costello though), as was Brooks, Lampkin, etc.

Either way, fighters can be slick with their offense or defense. Both too. Classically though, in boxing anyway, it has been used to describe anyone who was slippery on defense and had good counters. That's the way it had always been used in the gym to describe a boxer.

James Toney was slick. Roy Jones was slick. Willie Pep was slick. Benny Leonard was slick. Benitez was slick.

Angelo Dundee was described Duran as slick and cute based off how he would evade shots and come back without the opponent knowing/thinking he could.

It can describe moves, such as the ones Dundee was describing or the entire style of a fighter like Pep.

Mike McCallum was slick as were Kalambay. They had different styles though. Herol Graham was slick, but he was awkward and unorthodox too.

It's not a black thing. Johnny Famechon, a very white guy, was slicker than 98% of black fighters. It's not a black urban style thing as Hopkins describes it as either. It's just what it is.

Benny, this idiot ******* is from NSB where he argues constantly with Floyd fans who say Pac has never fought a slick black. This thread is nonsense and has no place here, and like you said, Buchanan is about as slick as they come yet he is a white Scott (I think).

He is hoping to get some ammo to make a case that Duran had never fought a slick black either.

[BennyST]

Benny, this idiot ******* is from NSB where he argues constantly with Floyd fans who say Pac has never fought a slick black. This thread is nonsense and has no place here, and like you said, Buchanan is about as slick as they come yet he is a white Scott (I think).

He is hoping to get some ammo to make a case that Duran had never fought a slick black either.

Yeah, it's funny when people preface their racially motivated subject with "I'm not trying to start anything racial here, but how many black ... "

Why bring race into it when you just stated that's what you are trying to avoid? What a ****.