Great Fighters with Terrible physiques

[The Surgeon]

I'm not saying it can't be done, just that usually it's done solely to build strength, i.e. slow twitch, bulky muscle, and that this is not particularly useful for fighting. A guy like Mayweather has a real ideal boxer's physique. A guy like Devon Alexander, and there are always going to be questions about stamina.

Well we can defo agree there, there is no place in boxing for big bulky muscles formed from slow twich fibers like a Frank Bruno, ive watched him slog away in the weights room doing slow weights, not even just power movements either and look where that got him, slowed him down and did his stamina zero favours

[Eric Holder]

Also I have heard a lot of old time boxers used to grapple for training. I think manipulating a human body builds more functional strength for boxing then pumping iron.

Jim Jeffries and Jack Dempsey wrestled for training and of more modern fighters I've heard Larry Holmes and Kermit Cintron were both very good high school wrestlers

[Holtol]

Marciano although he was not fat many people think he was to small and arms to short. But things like that don't matter as much as some people think. Charles Bronson was only about 5'10 and was a real fighter, punched through bullet proof glass bent steel bars. Here's his take on size and muscles, I agree with him.

[Toney616]

Frazier always looked a bit chubby to me

[Miburo]

Jim Jeffries and Jack Dempsey wrestled for training and of more modern fighters I've heard Larry Holmes and Kermit Cintron were both very good high school wrestlers

Holmes didn't go to high school.

[Barn]

Frazier always looked a bit chubby to me

Post FOTC I would say so, before that I never noticed it.

[katsidis]

He wernt great but Juan Diaz always looked FAT.

[Spartacus Sully]

Well we can defo agree there, there is no place in boxing for big bulky muscles formed from slow twich fibers like a Frank Bruno, ive watched him slog away in the weights room doing slow weights, not even just power movements either and look where that got him, slowed him down and did his stamina zero favours

fast twitch fibers tend to injure themselves more frequently during exercise and thus tend to hypertrophy much more then slow twitch fibers especially under heavy loads. so big muscles are usually big because of the fast twitch fibers not the slow twitch.

the bulky ness in combination with being slow isnt about the type of muscle, slow twitch still contracts at 10-30 times per second, but more so about the way the muscle is trained and that he spent more time lifting weights then praticing boxing.

[The Surgeon]

fast twitch fibers tend to injure themselves more frequently during exercise and thus tend to hypertrophy much more then slow twitch fibers especially under heavy loads. so big muscles are usually big because of the fast twitch fibers not the slow twitch.

the bulky ness in combination with being slow isnt about the type of muscle, slow twitch still contracts at 10-30 times per second, but more so about the way the muscle is trained and that he spent more time lifting weights then praticing boxing.

I dont know man, i used to be pretty heavily muscled and all the bigger guys at the gym (weights) i use use mainly heavy weights slow reps. I was still hitting bags and sparring while i was a gym buff and i most definitley felt slower and in fact not as harder a puncher.

David Haye is a guy who uses weights, he benches 140 kg and for a guy who isnt a meat head thats pretty good, he does fast explosive reps. He only does power movements no tricep press downs or none of that isolation stuff and look how quick and Explosive he is, i model my training around that now and more powerfull on the bags and actually alot quicker too, quicker than when i just did boxing training also

[Spartacus Sully]

I dont know man, i used to be pretty heavily muscled and all the bigger guys at the gym (weights) i use use mainly heavy weights slow reps. I was still hitting bags and sparring while i was a gym buff and i most definitley felt slower and in fact not as harder a puncher.

David Haye is a guy who uses weights, he benches 140 kg and for a guy who isnt a meat head thats pretty good, he does fast explosive reps. He only does power movements no tricep press downs or none of that isolation stuff and look how quick and Explosive he is, i model my training around that now and more powerfull on the bags and actually alot quicker too, quicker than when i just did boxing training also

exactally what i said.

its not the fibers but the way you train them.