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In 1993, was there a bigger fight than Lewis vs Bowe?

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  • #21
    Originally posted by CarlosG815 View Post
    Because I don't think Lennox Lewis was really anybody special. He was not on the level of Bowe/Holyfield. A fight with Lewis is as good as fighting Ruddock, Tucker, Bruno, Morrison, etc at the time.

    People can blame Bowe if they want, but why in 1993-1995 did Lennox never fight Holyfield either?
    That's completely false in every aspect. Lewis beat every one of those fighters yet you believe a fight with them was just as good? Funny thing is, outside of Holyfield, Bowe never fought anybody as good as any of those fighters with the exception of Golota who kicked his butt all over the ring lol
    Last edited by joseph5620; 01-14-2011, 03:38 PM.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by CarlosG815 View Post
      I am making a point as to the trends that Lennox set throughout his entire career.

      For Bowe to fight Lennox in the states, I do not believe that fight would make anymore money than a fight with Dokes. But who really knows? We'll never know. I don't see Lennox coming to the US in 1993 and breaking any kind of records.

      The fact is that Bowe was just way too dangerous for Lennox Lewis' finely managed career. He had taken safe fights his entire career, and even in those safe fights, he was smashed in 2 rounds by Oliver McCall. I can not see how this is debatable. What is so hard to believe that Lennox' management wanted nothing to do with Bowe when we saw what Bowe did to people, and we saw that Lennox was a little sloppy and proved to have a weak chin by guys who were journeyman?
      Lets put money to the wayside. This is a fight of Olympic finalists and the two TOP rated heavyweights in the world. There was a grudge and controversy between these two since the 88' Olympics. How is a fight with Dokes, who's last 3 opponents were Barry Forbes 7-4-2 with 3 losses in his last 5 fights, Jose Ribalta who had lost 4 of his last 5 and Jesse Ferguson who was 3-2 bigger than a Lewis fight. What did this fight bring to the table a Lewis fight couldn't?

      Even if you think the champ deserves an easy 1st defense (which I don't begrudge) Why not take on Lewis in his NEXT fight? Was Ferguson more dangerous and a bigger name than Lewis? He was 19-9 and never looked at than anything more than a fringe contender who had lost 3 of 5.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by sonnyboyx2 View Post
        Bowe fought and beat Dokes in Feb 93 at Madison Square Gardens, on the same bill was Mercer vs Ferguson with Mercer being the official No1 contender yet he lost to Ferguson after apparently trying to bribe Ferguson to take a dive mid-way threw the fight.. Rock Newman announced after the fight that Bowe would be fighting Holyfield in November in a rematch and that Bowe would first defend against Ferguson or No4 ranked Alex Garcia while Holyfield took a fight against No3 ranked Alex Stewart... Bowe vs Holyfield II was a huge fight and far bigger than Bowe vs Lewis who was unknown and was struggling to beat the likes of Tucker & Bruno
        Lewis was the number one contender for the unified title and through his Olympic pedigree a more attractive opponent to the public than either Dokes or Ferguson. Right or wrong?

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        • #24
          Originally posted by sonnyboyx2 View Post
          Thanks for making my point.

          "Imagine: Bowe versus Jesse Ferguson. Or Bowe versus Alex Garcia.

          Not too appealing,
          but after nightlong negotiations were done, that's what Rock Newman, Bowe's manager, was announcing yesterday along with the expected date for Holyfield-Bowe."

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          • #25
            Originally posted by CarlosG815 View Post
            Because I don't think Lennox Lewis was really anybody special. He was not on the level of Bowe/Holyfield. A fight with Lewis is as good as fighting Ruddock, Tucker, Bruno, Morrison, etc at the time.

            People can blame Bowe if they want, but why in 1993-1995 did Lennox never fight Holyfield either?
            Probably because Holyfield lost two fights to Michael Moorer and Bowe with questions about his health (heart). Wasn't exactly a good period in Holyfield career.Now if he had fought Holyfield at that time there would have been certain people that post here questioning why he would fight Holyfield during a vulnerable period in Evander's career. He ended up fighting Holyfield in a unification fight while Holyfield was riding high off the Tyson fights and KO win over Moorer in a rematch. Now tell me, which was a better time to make that fight? And from my memory Holyfield was the favorite to beat Lewis.


            And you're right. I do blame Bowe. Because he's the one who avoided his mandatory (Lewis) to fight the likes of Dokes and Ferguson.
            Last edited by joseph5620; 01-14-2011, 03:51 PM.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
              Lewis was the number one contender for the unified title and through his Olympic pedigree a more attractive opponent to the public than either Dokes or Ferguson. Right or wrong?
              Lewis was not interested, he priced himself out... or is Rid**** Bowe telling lies?

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              • #27
                Lewis looked like ****e against a bum in Tony Tucker, he looked even worse against ol`Frank Bruno then got poleaxed by Oliver McCall.. the public knew after the Tucker fight in early 93 that Lewis was a bum... over here in the UK we had Rid**** Bowe voted as overseas sports personality of the year.. Bowe apeared in person on the show and called Lewis "nothing but a bum who was afraid to accept the challenge".... Boxing fans of that time in the UK knew Lewis was afraid od Bowe and that he had priced himself out... Todays younger fans who was not alive in 1993 or was only youngsters do not understand or believe the facts of the matter and what really happened back in 1993

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by sonnyboyx2 View Post
                  Lewis looked like ****e against a bum in Tony Tucker, he looked even worse against ol`Frank Bruno then got poleaxed by Oliver McCall.. the public knew after the Tucker fight in early 93 that Lewis was a bum... over here in the UK we had Rid**** Bowe voted as overseas sports personality of the year.. Bowe apeared in person on the show and called Lewis "nothing but a bum who was afraid to accept the challenge".... Boxing fans of that time in the UK knew Lewis was afraid od Bowe and that he had priced himself out... Todays younger fans who was not alive in 1993 or was only youngsters do not understand or believe the facts of the matter and what really happened back in 1993
                  I was alive in 1993 and old enough to read. Which is why I know you have resorted to rewriting history. Age has nothing to do with it.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by sonnyboyx2 View Post
                    Lewis was not interested, he priced himself out... or is Rid**** Bowe telling lies?
                    Only a couple of weeks earlier in London, Bowe's old Olympic rival Lennox Lewis knocked out Canadian Donovan "Razor" Ruddock in 2 rounds, establishing himself as the WBC's #1 contender. The Bowe/Holyfield and Lewis/Ruddock fights were part of a mini-tournament where all 4 fighters agreed that the two winners would meet each other for the championship. Bowe's manager Rock Newman made a proposal that the $32million purse HBO were offering be split 90-10 in Bowe's favor, an "absurd" offer which Lewis rejected.[5] Lewis's manager Frank Maloney rejected another offer of $2million for Lewis to fight on a Bowe undercard, citing his distrust of the Bowe camp after the aforementioned negotiations. So in a move that would hurt Bowe's image he held a press conference in which he dumped the WBC belt in a bin rather than fight Lewis.[6] The famous trash can incident did little to denigrate Lennox Lewis or the WBC as he had hoped it would.

                    Lewis priced himself out huh?

                    Bow low balled him and than dumped the title so the fight couldn't be forced.

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                    • #30
                      Lennox/Bowe was the worst possible fight that couldve been made.

                      Lennox was a nobody in 1993 and he is only champion because he took a belt out of a trash can. Lennox would get brutally KOd by John Ruiz 10 times out of 10. I would let Bowe and John Ruiz nail my sister because they are both real men, and not scared cowards like Lennox Lewis.

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