Ducking beyond reasonable doubt

[sonnyboyx2]

We read about fighters throughout boxing history being accused of "Ducking" other fighter of their era but which fighter Ducked a fighter "without reasonable doubt" and by that i mean provide evidence to prove it was beyond reasonable doubt.

[starkiller]

Well, its quite obvious Floyd ducked the best at 147. I doubt Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Clottey ever ducked Mayweather Jr., the payday is too great.

[Joey Giardello]

Mayweather is ducking pacquiao right now with douubt!

Mike Tyson and Don King avoided Lennox Lewis back in the 1990's with out doubt even giving lennox step aside cash.

Ali Weil and Marcianio's team avoided Nino Valdes, valdes beats charles but charles still get the shot at marciano?

Doc Kearns and Dempsey avoided Harry Wills

Lamotta, Billy Conn, Ray Robinson, Graziano and Tony Zale all wanted nothing to do with Charley Burley

Chris Eubank avoided Herol Graham even saying in his book after sparring with graham he never wanted to share a ring with him

Ray Leaonard never wanted to fight a prime Hagler

Mike Tyson told don king more than once he would never fight George Foreman

Wladmir Klitschko never wanted to give Corrie Sanders a rematch

Lennox Lewis recently said on sky broadcast he never boxed a southpaw as a pro and didnt want nothing to do with michael moorer for that reason he doesnt like fighting southpaws

[r.burgundy]

its hard to call guys ducker when million $ purses are at stake.i think for the right price any fight couldve been made

[Joey Giardello]

its hard to call guys ducker when million $ purses are at stake.i think for the right price any fight couldve been made

nope even for the right price some fights dont get made just look at the mayweather and pacquiao fight, and the foreman vs tyson fight 2 super fights that even the right amount a money couldnt make a difference

[Kid McCoy]

Jack Johnson ducking Sam Langford. Langford was clearly the best heavyweight in the world while Johnson was champion, and despite what Johnson claimed, there were many, many big money offers from promoters like Hugh McIntosh, all of which were turned down by Johnson. I like Johnson but it's hard to overlook all that when evaluating him.

[sonnyboyx2]

Jack Johnson ducking Sam Langford. Langford was clearly the best heavyweight in the world while Johnson was champion, and despite what Johnson claimed, there were many, many big money offers from promoters like Hugh McIntosh, all of which were turned down by Johnson. I like Johnson but it's hard to overlook all that when evaluating him.

i should have added Jack Johnson's beat-down of Sam Langford on the other topic.. Johnson nearly killed Langford and claimed he never beat an opponent as bad as he did Langford... Yet McCoy here (Walter Mitty) with his vivid imagination and not a shred of evidence claims Johnson ducked Langford.

[sonnyboyx2]

Mayweather is ducking pacquiao right now with douubt!

Mike Tyson and Don King avoided Lennox Lewis back in the 1990's with out doubt even giving lennox step aside cash.

Ali Weil and Marcianio's team avoided Nino Valdes, valdes beats charles but charles still get the shot at marciano?

Doc Kearns and Dempsey avoided Harry Wills

Lamotta, Billy Conn, Ray Robinson, Graziano and Tony Zale all wanted nothing to do with Charley Burley

Chris Eubank avoided Herol Graham even saying in his book after sparring with graham he never wanted to share a ring with him

Ray Leaonard never wanted to fight a prime Hagler

Mike Tyson told don king more than once he would never fight George Foreman

Wladmir Klitschko never wanted to give Corrie Sanders a rematch

Lennox Lewis recently said on sky broadcast he never boxed a southpaw as a pro and didnt want nothing to do with michael moorer for that reason he doesnt like fighting southpaws

you will get some stick now from McCoy & JoeyZagz who will claim you are a liar and that SKY never showed Lewis saying he ducked Moorer LOL

[Kid McCoy]

In return for a loan from the National Sporting Club in order to chase Burns to Australia, Johnson signed this agreement:

Gentlemen: I undertake and agree to carry out my contest with Sam Langford on the 22d of February, 1909, on the same terms and conditions as already arranged with Langford, viz. 1,000 pound purse and one-third of the interest in any bioscopic pictures that may be taken. At the same time allow me to tender my thanks to you for the courtesy you have extended to myself and manager, Mr. Sam Fitzpatrick, while we have been in this country.
I am, gentlemen, yours faithfully.
Jack Johnson

That can be found in Clay Moyle's biography of Langford, though I expect you'll claim it's a work of fiction like the Murderers' Row book. Johnson first agreed to go on with the fight and then pulled out in March 1909, for which he was widely derided. Johnson then said he'd fight Langford provided there was a $10,000 side bet. Langford put up the $10,000 and Johnson was still a no show.

There are countless other reports of Johnson being offered big money to face Langford. Johnson's stated minimum purse for a title defence was $30,000. Hugh McIntosh met that offer (New York Times, 26th June 1912), then offered $40,000 (New York Times, 9th August 1912) and then $60,000 for him to face Langford, Jeannette and McVea (New York Times, 12th September 1912) and that's just a few of many similar offers. There was plenty of demand and interest in the fight and Johnson just wasn't interested.

And finally, here's a quote from Johnson himself regarding Langford: "I don't want to fight that little smoke. I'm the first black champion and I'm going to be the last."

Only in Sonnyboy land did Johnson not duck Langford.

[Toney616]

you will get some stick now from McCoy & JoeyZagz who will claim you are a liar and that SKY never showed Lewis saying he ducked Moorer LOL

Punches from southys come from different angles, which is why a lot of conventional fighters want nothing to do with them. I remember Nunn having a hard time trying to get fights at one point