Ranking Vitalis power amongst the ATGs

[r.burgundy]

Shavers KOed 230lbs 6 5 Roy Williams...who unlike almost all of the boxers today, was not a fatass O.o Since when did bigger mean better? It usually means worse...Both Lewis and Wlad had "Poor" chins...Have you seen the videos of Ali, Lyle, and Tillis stating that Shavers was the hardest puncher they ever faced? Joe Louis KOed Abe Simons, find me ONE boxer that is bigger than Simon....that guy was a tank and his head was as big as louis....

Vitali rearanges faces because he hits his opponent right on the spot for 12 rounds, mainly because not one of these pretenders has any defense or movement at all....Earnie Shavers broke fighters necks, George Foreman blew out facial bones and crushed ribs, Rocky Marciano broke arms, Kostya Tszyu was a welter who broke shoulders, Joe Louis and David Tua cracked Vertebrae with body punches, Mike Tyson knocked out rows of teeth with his jabs, Little Jack Dempsey mauled people like a wild animal...Not to mention that Jess Willard was 6 6 260lbs....The supply of devastating punchers is tremendous in heavyweight history, more than most people can even remember, and Vitali is not even top 100 hardest hitter...He is average power with above average skill.

Wlad isn't top 50 hardest hitter either, watch him hit the heavybag, now watch Jeff Lacy do it...notice the difference...Jeff was a middleweight...

i said consistently k.o,not 1 ko.i cant by any strecth of the imagination see shavers consistently ko bigger fighters of today.
who said anything about bigger being better?

what do these guys chins have to with anything?shavers chin was worse than both of them.

wth??abe simon was 6'4 250 lol.what do you mean name 1 boxer bigger.have you ever seen lennox lewis,jameel mccline,rid**** bowe,i mean that list goes on forever

you seen like bert sugar.tyson never knocked out rows of teeth with a jab bein as how humans only have 1 row high and low lol.and sorry but you cant break a veterbrae with a body shot man lol

watch the 3rnd of lacy/calzhage.joes corner says "watch out for his power".joe said "what power,his power is ****"lol.anybody can look good on a heavy bag.lacy k.od blown up welters an middles.as seen as he stepped up in class,the k.o's mysteriously stopped

[XionComrade]

i said consistently k.o,not 1 ko.i cant by any strecth of the imagination see shavers consistently ko bigger fighters of today.
who said anything about bigger being better?

what do these guys chins have to with anything?shavers chin was worse than both of them.

wth??abe simon was 6'4 250 lol.what do you mean name 1 boxer bigger.have you ever seen lennox lewis,jameel mccline,rid**** bowe,i mean that list goes on forever

you seen like bert sugar.tyson never knocked out rows of teeth with a jab bein as how humans only have 1 row high and low lol.and sorry but you cant break a veterbrae with a body shot man lol

watch the 3rnd of lacy/calzhage.joes corner says "watch out for his power".joe said "what power,his power is ****"lol.anybody can look good on a heavy bag.lacy k.od blown up welters an middles.as seen as he stepped up in class,the k.o's mysteriously stopped

You are saying that Shavers would not be able to consistently KO the Bigger heavies of today...Implying that because they are bigger, which is the only thing they have going for them, they would be able to stand up to Shavers' power...You forget to mention that the quality of today's heavies chin is just as **** as it needs be..If Shaver's power cannot handle them, then Foreman's cannot, and it Foreman's cannot noone else in history can take them out....They get KOed constantly.

By rows I don't mean entire sets lol, but rather 3 or 4 teeth in a row, he did it to Mitch Green

Didn't matter how hard Jeff hits, because his wide looping hooks were not going to touch Joe that night, Joe was really on his A game that fight! Later on people saw that Lacy could throw...But not land against top quality opposition...Doesn't matter how hard you hit when you throw shots out the window.

You can break vertebrae with a big enough body shot...Just the same as you can slam someone in the belly with a log and paralyze them, it is "just" right behind your abdominal, which is their only defense. Louis's body shot on Schmeling cracked on of his vertebrae, he hit him on the kidney or so if I am not mistaken.

Abe Simon was still bigger than anyone today, bigger boned. Look up a picture of him and check out his frame..the dude was 240lbs of bone!

[StarshipTrooper]

You are saying that Shavers would not be able to consistently KO the Bigger heavies of today...Implying that because they are bigger, which is the only thing they have going for them, they would be able to stand up to Shavers' power...You forget to mention that the quality of today's heavies chin is just as **** as it needs be..If Shaver's power cannot handle them, then Foreman's cannot, and it Foreman's cannot noone else in history can take them out....They get KOed constantly.

By rows I don't mean entire sets lol, but rather 3 or 4 teeth in a row, he did it to Mitch Green

Didn't matter how hard Jeff hits, because his wide looping hooks were not going to touch Joe that night, Joe was really on his A game that fight! Later on people saw that Lacy could throw...But not land against top quality opposition...Doesn't matter how hard you hit when you throw shots out the window.

You can break vertebrae with a big enough body shot...Just the same as you can slam someone in the belly with a log and paralyze them, it is "just" right behind your abdominal, which is their only defense. Louis's body shot on Schmeling cracked on of his vertebrae, he hit him on the kidney or so if I am not mistaken.

Abe Simon was still bigger than anyone today, bigger boned. Look up a picture of him and check out his frame..the dude was 240lbs of bone!

Not to mention the only time Lennox ever weighed over 250 he was out of shape and flabby.

Now that the weight issued has been disproven rburgundy will no doubt claim that todays Heavyweights are too tall for Shavers to KO; after you disprove that then he'll claim that those 1970s cavemen didn't know how to fight; after you disprove that he'll bring up weight again. Repeat cycle.

Poet

[XionComrade]

Not to mention the only time Lennox ever weighed over 250 he was out of shape and flabby.

Now that the weight issued has been disproven rburgundy will no doubt claim that todays Heavyweights are too tall for Shavers to KO; after you disprove that then he'll claim that those 1970s cavemen didn't know how to fight; after you disprove that he'll bring up weight again. Repeat cycle.

Poet

I always thought it was accepted by all boxing knowledgeables that the 70s heavyweights were the best in history >.< They were more advanced skillfully and physically than todays fat bums...Not to mention the difference in heart

[StarshipTrooper]

I always thought it was accepted by all boxing knowledgeables that the 70s heavyweights were the best in history >.< They were more advanced skillfully and physically than todays fat bums...Not to mention the difference in heart

The key word is "knowledgeables": Nubes that only have been watching boxing for the past 10-15 years is another story.....you get alot of those in these here parts :rolleyes9:

The truth is the Heavyweights from the mid-1960s to the mid-1970s WAS the best era in Heavyweight history.....bar none. Now the 1990s were damn good, in my mind second only to the afore mentioned Golden Age. The 1990s were deep in quality Heavies. But that was then and this is now.....the 2000s have been terrible and I'm hard pressed to think of a worse era. Even the 1980s era of fat dopeheads was better than THIS. How bad is today's era? Old washed up Heavies who were in their primes in the 1990s are still getting title shots for lack of credible opponents.

Poet

[XionComrade]

Not to mention the only time Lennox ever weighed over 250 he was out of shape and flabby.

Now that the weight issued has been disproven rburgundy will no doubt claim that todays Heavyweights are too tall for Shavers to KO; after you disprove that then he'll claim that those 1970s cavemen didn't know how to fight; after you disprove that he'll bring up weight again. Repeat cycle.

Poet

The key word is "knowledgeables": Nubes that only have been watching boxing for the past 10-15 years is another story.....you get alot of those in these here parts :rolleyes9:

The truth is the Heavyweights from the mid-1960s to the mid-1970s WAS the best era in Heavyweight history.....bar none. Now the 1990s were damn good, in my mind second only to the afore mentioned Golden Age. The 1990s were deep in quality Heavies. But that was then and this is now.....the 2000s have been terrible and I'm hard pressed to think of a worse era. Even the 1980s era of fat dopeheads was better than THIS. How bad is today's era? Old washed up Heavies who were in their primes in the 1990s are still getting title shots for lack of credible opponents.

Poet

Like Holyfield and Mercer...Both would clean out the division in their primes...but are still considered dangerous when they are over 9000 years old? Bad division...

[StarshipTrooper]

Like Holyfield and Mercer...Both would clean out the division in their primes...but are still considered dangerous when they are over 9000 years old? Bad division...

Yeah, like when a 45 year old Holyfield who's painful to watch now beats a highly touted 7 foot tall 300 pound "contender" (even if Evander did get robbed on the cards).

Poet

[sonnyboyx2]

Briggs at 262 was a disgrace to the sport of boxing yet Vitali who hit him with 400 punches could not put him to sleep, which tells us that Vitali does not have great punching power... Vitali is nothing more than a "Behemoth" the same as Carnera, Valuev & Willard and definately not a ATG Top 20 Heavyweight... Briggs is 38yrs old and has never in his entire career beaten a fighter rated above "Class C" with the exception of his gift decision against 46yr old George Foreman, a decision which was one of the worst in boxing history. Briggs got poleaxed in 3rds when in his prime by a mediocre journeyman Darrell Wilson in the Night of the Young Heavyweights back in 1996 and was undeserving of a title fight against Vitali Klitschko. Vitali has also fought no fighter of worth in his career other than Lennox Lewis with the rest of his career opponents being lower than Class C, Vitali would struggle to beat the other "Lumbering Behemoths" Valuev, Carnera & Willard.

[r.burgundy]

You are saying that Shavers would not be able to consistently KO the Bigger heavies of today...Implying that because they are bigger, which is the only thing they have going for them, they would be able to stand up to Shavers' power...You forget to mention that the quality of today's heavies chin is just as **** as it needs be..If Shaver's power cannot handle them, then Foreman's cannot, and it Foreman's cannot noone else in history can take them out....They get KOed constantly.

By rows I don't mean entire sets lol, but rather 3 or 4 teeth in a row, he did it to Mitch Green

Didn't matter how hard Jeff hits, because his wide looping hooks were not going to touch Joe that night, Joe was really on his A game that fight! Later on people saw that Lacy could throw...But not land against top quality opposition...Doesn't matter how hard you hit when you throw shots out the window.

You can break vertebrae with a big enough body shot...Just the same as you can slam someone in the belly with a log and paralyze them, it is "just" right behind your abdominal, which is their only defense. Louis's body shot on Schmeling cracked on of his vertebrae, he hit him on the kidney or so if I am not mistaken.

Abe Simon was still bigger than anyone today, bigger boned. Look up a picture of him and check out his frame..the dude was 240lbs of bone!

you do understand size matters when taking punches right?at 6' shavers is swinging upward which takes momentum off punches,therefore lessining power.foreman,at 6'4 is usually swinging level,or down.at 45,foreman was able to k.o moorer with 1 punch.a jab at that.shavers would not be capable of that.better case and point would be trinidad.possibly the hardest punching welter ever.mayorga took 3 bombs flush from tito at 160.why was able to take those?cause mayorga was naturally bigger.

point being that,just cause you dont have 1 punch k.o power doesnt mean you dont hit hard,as which is the case with the klits.when it comes to k.o's,its about the right punch,not neccesarily the hardest punch.most k.o's come from temple and chin shots,most shots from the klits land in the eye and cheek area's being that they always punch down

you can paralyze somebody with blunt force anywhere due to nerves,but sorry dude,you cant break somebodys back from a body blow lol

and abe simon is around the same size as sam peter,or ike ibeabuchi.both are around 6'3 wtith very thick frames and jameel mccline and shannon briggs are massive

and tyson knocked mitchs teeth out in a street fight dude.not with gloves on

[r.burgundy]

I always thought it was accepted by all boxing knowledgeables that the 70s heavyweights were the best in history >.< They were more advanced skillfully and physically than todays fat bums...Not to mention the difference in heart

sorry.thats not a theory i subscribe to.i think the most talented crop was the 90's even though it didnt produce that many great fights due to these guys mental states and don king.
lewis,tyson,holyfield,bowe,moorer,mercer,morrison, ibeabuchi,tua,tucker,byrd,ruiz,mccall

as far as lewis though,he has weighed at 6 times in his career and a total of 11 times at 250 and very slightly under 250.he was far from flabby and out of shape in those 11 fights.sorry poet.almost as bad a fail as your theory of evolution