What if Vitali's comeback opponent had been Jack Dempsey?

[Spartacus Sully]

Here is a link... watch the speed of Dempsey's left-hook & combinations which is something Vitali has never faced in his entire career.. Vitali fights similar to Willard...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3BTycNuY44

thats dempsey, not patterson.

and that first jab from willard almost puts him down.

dempseys shift stepping and lunging at willard just to get over the jab and get to the head.

sure patterson could get in under the jab but hes not going over the jab and hes not going over the jab with anything on it which leaves a 190 lb person in the ring with a 240 lb person with some skill for 12 rounds waiting to be knocked out or running around all day (which i dont see patterson doing).

[sonnyboyx2]

thats dempsey, not patterson.

and that first jab from willard almost puts him down.

dempseys shift stepping and lunging at willard just to get over the jab and get to the head.

sure patterson could get in under the jab but hes not going over the jab and hes not going over the jab with anything on it which leaves a 190 lb person in the ring with a 240 lb person with some skill for 12 rounds waiting to be knocked out or running around all day (which i dont see patterson doing).

i see him doing it... you will have to put up a link for me where i can see this skill you claim the 240lb guy has

[Jim Jeffries]

you have based your argument on nothing other than Height & Weight...How then did Dempsey destroy Jess Willard, Carl Morris & Fred Fulton? ... yet he was similar in stature & weight to Floyd Patterson... if we are to go by your theory then Nikolay Valuev would be champion for life.

You say Chuvalo maybe tough but that dont make anyone who beats him tough.. of course it does, it shows that the person who beat him can withstand his toughness and tough it out to beat him by using superior skills.. do the Klitschko's have greater skills that Patterson the answer is .. no they don't... You are downgrading Patterson for his 2 losses to Sonny Liston yet Liston was a "Monster back in 62.. why are you not calling into question the Klitschko's losses against Brewster & Sanders, the quitting against Byrd and the mediocre opposition they have fought.. Your whole argument is based on nothing other than Height & Weight yet Valuev is a giant compared to both of them with Valuev getting beat by cruiserweight David Haye getting a disputed decision over both Holyfield & Ruiz both who are fighters the Klitschko's refuse to fight, what are you going to claim next... The Klits are more skilled than Valuev which would be laughable, Valuev has fought the better opposition which is why he has suffered the defeat

I'm trying to decide which is the more absurd statement here, that Valuev is more skilled than both Klitschkos, or that both of them ducked Holyfield and Ruiz.

Next you'll deny that the older brother has been trying to get a fight with Valuev and Haye for some time or that Haye pulled out of a fight with Wlad.

Just a couple of tips. Work on your dreadful English and grammar, and slow down on the trolling in the history section.

[Spartacus Sully]

i see him doing it... you will have to put up a link for me where i can see this skill you claim the 240lb guy has

mainly the pad work as vitali dosnt put much effort into the shadow boxing and any one can look bad on a heavy bag.

do you have anything that shows a 160 lber that went up to 200 with the heaviest opponet being 222 lber (17/39 record) is going to last the distance with or LOL knock out some one who is 240+ lbs and in shape?

[sonnyboyx2]

mainly the pad work as vitali dosnt put much effort into the shadow boxing and any one can look bad on a heavy bag.

do you have anything that shows a 160 lber that went up to 200 with the heaviest opponet being 222 lber (17/39 record) is going to last the distance with or LOL knock out some one who is 240+ lbs and in shape?

i have already put a link up for you of what you ask for in Dempsey vs Willard...where is this SKILLS link you are going to provide for me of The Klitschko brothers showing me their Boxing Skills against an opponent as good as Dempsey or Floyd Patterson

i look forward to you posting it.

[sonnyboyx2]

mainly the pad work as vitali dosnt put much effort into the shadow boxing and any one can look bad on a heavy bag.

do you have anything that shows a 160 lber that went up to 200 with the heaviest opponet being 222 lber (17/39 record) is going to last the distance with or LOL knock out some one who is 240+ lbs and in shape?

a pair of cumbersome behemoths who are as slow as cart horses and both would be destroyed by Jack Dempsey.. they are of the same level as Willard & Carnera who i would take to beat both brothers

[sleazyfellow]

Vitali is too stationary and robotic to absorb dempsys attack, it would be stoppage on cuts for sure.

Wlad is a better boxer than Vitali but the brothers dont put together punches at all, its usually the 1-2 the overmatched horrible hw to death. Any fighter who put together punches would give them trouble, the brothers best bet would be to tire out dempsy in clinches when he gets close (like they do to most opponents).

[Die Antwoord]

Vitali is too stationary and robotic to absorb dempsys attack, it would be stoppage on cuts for sure.

Wlad is a better boxer than Vitali but the brothers dont put together punches at all, its usually the 1-2 the overmatched horrible hw to death. Any fighter who put together punches would give them trouble, the brothers best bet would be to tire out dempsy in clinches when he gets close (like they do to most opponents).

Yeah...Vitali clinches.......I tried watching Dempsey vs. Firpo recently...I fell asleep during the 18th 30 second long clinch. The entire fight is clinch...rabbit punch...clinch....rabbit punch...dance around in a clinch....push...this was not even the same sport vitali takes part in and Firpo still knocked Dempsey out of the ring. Imagine what Vitali would do. Dempsey would be in the 3rd row. Try clinching a Klitschko, they punish people for clinching, 250 lbs right on your back.

Watch boxing before posting. Vitali throws, I dont know,

Too stationary and robotic...yeah no smaller fighter reaches his chin, but Dempsey would...

Dempsey fought in one of the most segregated eras...he had to beat what, members of 1/10th of the worlds population. Wlad and Vitali fight blacks, whites, latinos, anyone from all over the world.

I mean sure Vitali doesnt have wins over guys named Gunboat, Fireman, Battling, Porky, kid and 8 wins against people named Young...but he would murder someone like Dempsey in the ring. I mean absolutely kill him in the ring.

The people on here saying otherwise are nostalgic de-evolutionists who somehow believe even though more people worldwide box today than ever, that somehow there were like 30 guys an era back in the day that would murder Vitali and Wlad but 0 today...That dont make no sense.

[BattlingNelson]

Some fine posts in this thread.

I think that Vitali would do very well against any champion from the past and be in there with a shot to win against anybody. I would think that one of the fighters that would cause the ukrainian the most trouble is Jack Dempsey. Not many fighters in history can put punches together like he could.

A thing is that in this match-up we are not dealing with a prime Vitali. On the other hand we have a prime Dempsey who was a beast. Hungry as no fighter is today. If he lost he knew he had nothing. A predator looking to kill.

If the fight was made under old-school rules with smaller gloves and no standing 8 count I feel certain that Dempsey pulls it off. Vitali has a better chance in the modern world, but my pick is ultimately Dempsey.

[Die Antwoord]

Vitali is too stationary and robotic to absorb dempsys attack, it would be stoppage on cuts for sure.

Wlad is a better boxer than Vitali but the brothers dont put together punches at all, its usually the 1-2 the overmatched horrible hw to death. Any fighter who put together punches would give them trouble, the brothers best bet would be to tire out dempsy in clinches when he gets close (like they do to most opponents).

Ill be waiting for a fight where you say Vitali tired out an opponent by clinching them. Vitali doesnt clinch, he doesnt like clinches, only time he clinched was Lewis and any of those shots either guy was throwing would have knocked Dempsey out of the ring.

Vitalis stamina is made for throwing a ton of punches, much more than Dempsey ever threw a round. I watch Dempsey and I dont see any great combos or defense I see a guy who would never get past either Klitschko's jab and if he did would be met with a ferocious right like none he ever tasted before.