James Toney:Is he a ATG?

[Toney616]

you must be new around here,a fighter can be 30 but because he is over the hill he will fight like a 40 year old.evander would of won the fight but he had a lot on his mind,if evander and james fought in their primes james gets kayoed first round,this list you proudly display are fighters that have not made any big contributions to the sport,

Thats not really fair, Evander was prime during his early hw reign and Toney was prime at smw

[Toney616]

Toney is not an ATG.

"peeleft:

And your reason is?

[Toney616]

At his very best, you could match him P4P with most fighters outside that elite stratosphere. At his very best, there is no doubt he's an ATG. But he was so inconsistent that it hurts his status. He still makes it, though, if you ask me, just because he had insane skills. His good power, speed and underrated chin don't hurt, either.





Holy couldn't KO 1 Toney with a *******.

Whats your criteria for a ATG?

[Toney616]

He lost his fights with Peters, Jones jr & Griffin. Where's the great fighters he beat? Barkley?

He should of won Griffin II and Peter I, he beat Nunn, McCallum*2, Littles and Holyfield

[GJC]

The essence of P4P is to be successful against bigger men

Only to you

Duran being starched by Hearns or Toney losing a decision to Sam Peter ?

Duran won 3 world titles above his weight, so point 1?
Also didn't I see you rated Castro? Check Duran's age when he beat him.

Ray Leonard beaten into submission by Hector Camacho

Considering you count the Berbick victory against Ali I expect no less

Ray Robinson collapsing against light hitting Joey Maxim

Collapsing against the heat as did the referee

[frankenfrank]

Only to you

and the few who know what it is

Duran won 3 world titles above his weight, so point 1?

can you give me 1 example of Toney losing so humiliatingly ?
Many Steward said himself he wouldn't have let Toney near Hearns when he came to train in their gym.
Anyway , in Duran's case there is more than just 1 such an example.

Also didn't I see you rated Castro? Check Duran's age when he beat him.

I rate Duran too , just compared him to Toney and Toney came out on top of the comparison.

Considering you count the Berbick victory against Ali I expect no less

Considering this comes from someone who knows I only watched the weigh-in in Foreman-Ali.

Collapsing against the heat as did the referee

But not Joey Maxim .

[bojangles1987]

His short but successful run at cruiser and heavyweight pushes him to ATG status for me. Without that run, going on just his 160-168 career, I don't think he would be an ATG.

[Obama]

Ahead of Hopkins for sure . Behind Jones ? I can see why the most think so , but no. Again , look at each man's worst performances , Jones was better conditioned even then , but how they ended ? Not to mention Jones' condition against Toney was his best , and Toney's against Jones his worst. Still Jones was not even close and did not even considered trying to stop Toney , such a move would have become his first stoppage loss.

This was not coherent at all.

[frankenfrank]

This was not coherent at all.

What do you mean ? why ?

[KlownvonnomaD]

He should of won Griffin II and Peter I, he beat Nunn, McCallum*2, Littles and Holyfield

I'm sorry but I can't have that.
I asked what great boxers did he beat to deserve being call an ATG. Holyfield I will take, But if we're considering the likes of Steve Little & Michael Nunn great boxers, then there is something seriously wrong.
James Toney was a great boxer for his day, but all time come on now.

Would you consider Toney in say, the top 10/15 Middles of all time, or alternatively top 10/15 Heavies. The answer is no.
So how can you even think about rating him ATG if he doesn't even stake up in his own divisions?