gotta love joe frazier

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Good job Butterfly.

Too bad you don't have any of the following rounds when Frazier gets his rhythm going and really punishes Jerry. Anyway you can see what a great in-fighter Frazier was, never content to clinch and hold, always bobbing and weaving on the inside using both hands and mixing his attack body and head. Always in the pocket but right in front of his opponent and deceptively hard to put punches together against.

Quarry I, Ellis I, and FOTC was Frazier at his best.

[butterfly1964]

Good job Butterfly.

Too bad you don't have any of the following rounds when Frazier gets his rhythm going and really punishes Jerry. Anyway you can see what a great in-fighter Frazier was, never content to clinch and hold, always bobbing and weaving on the inside using both hands and mixing his attack body and head. Always in the pocket but right in front of his opponent and deceptively hard to put punches together against.

Quarry I, Ellis I, and FOTC was Frazier at his best.

don't forget bob foster, lol!

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don't forget bob foster, lol!

Ha, ha. I actually had him written down then deleted it. Not reall a fair match-up for Foster. He was pretty much out-gunned.

[Kid Achilles]

That was a very good round of inside fighting. Don't see very much of that these days.

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That was a very good round of inside fighting. Don't see very much of that these days.

Exactly. Makes you shudder when you think what either guy would do to Rachman or Toney.

[Frazier's 15th round]

I love Frazier, but I wish he had fought a wider variety of opponents like Mac Foster, Ken Norton, Ron Lyle, and Jimmy Young. Instead of Dave Zyglewicz, Terry Daniels, and Jimmy Ellis the second time. I know that he kicked Norton's ass in sparring before FOTC, and was getting beat up badly after it, but I still think he should have motivated himself more and would have beaten Norton in a fight. His resume would look so much better with those guys. I didn't mention Shavers because he lost to Ron Stander, Quarry, Stallings, etc. Frazier would have dusted him off in about 2 rounds. I will always consider Stander a better name than Shavers.

I think Ron Lyle would have given him some problems, but Lyle was never a strong starter, either, so I think Frazier would wear him down and stop him in the later rounds. Instead, we have idiots like Mac Foster claiming they'd beat Frazier faster than Foreman did.

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I love Frazier, but I wish he had fought a wider variety of opponents like Mac Foster, Ken Norton, Ron Lyle, and Jimmy Young. Instead of Dave Zyglewicz, Terry Daniels, and Jimmy Ellis the second time. I know that he kicked Norton's ass in sparring before FOTC, and was getting beat up badly after it, but I still think he should have motivated himself more and would have beaten Norton in a fight. His resume would look so much better with those guys. I didn't mention Shavers because he lost to Ron Stander, Quarry, Stallings, etc. Frazier would have dusted him off in about 2 rounds. I will always consider Stander a better name than Shavers.

I think Ron Lyle would have given him some problems, but Lyle was never a strong starter, either, so I think Frazier would wear him down and stop him in the later rounds. Instead, we have idiots like Mac Foster claiming they'd beat Frazier faster than Foreman did.

Norton and Frazier were friends and shared the same trainer in Eddie Futch so that was likely a primary factor in why they never fought. When Frazier was champ Norton hadn't beaten Ali yet and wasn't that highly thought of.

Now Jimmy Young didn't have the credentials to warrant a title shot when Frazier was champ and wasn't really thought of very highly until after the Ali fight in 1976 which is the year Frazier retired.

Lyle had some credentials while Frazier was champ having beaten Manuel Ramos and Buster Mathis, so this match could have been made as Lyle would have been a more competitive opponent than Zygliewicz or Daniels. However, if you have seen Lyle's loss against Quarry, I doubt Lyle would have beaten Frazier.

Shavers likely would have fought Frazier instead of Quarry II but Quarry starched Shavers in one round so there goes that match-up.

If you think about it, in the 5 year span of 1971-76 Frazier fought Ali 3 times and Foreman twice. With that kind of opposition he deserved fights like Ellis.

[Pugnacious_Z]

David Tua's chin is very good but its weird that he got knocked out with a right cross that looked like an arm punch in the amateurs by Felix Savon

[BKM-]

David Tua's chin is very good but its weird that he got knocked out with a right cross that looked like an arm punch in the amateurs by Felix Savon

Never heard of that. He probably threw the fight if thats true.

[Heckler]

Im pretty sure a prime Joe Frazier would hold the belts, Wlad's a big man? and? is he anything special? That reach doesn't mean much when joe's on the inside breaking wlad down. Anyone that thinks Joe wasn't strong enough, or couldn't get on the inside of these big guys these days needs to watch the FOTC. Joe Frazier worked too hard, was too tough for the modern division... byrd, wlad, toney... he'd smoke them all.