Are Today's Fighters Better than Fighters From The Past? Hell Yes

[them_apples]

How is it possible that a 45 year old George Foreman was able to become HW champ 20 years after his prime?

How is it possible that Larry Holmes in his 40s beat Mercer more convincingly than a prime Lennox Lewis did? the same Lewis that(at least) fought on even terms with Vitali.

hell, Shannon Briggs was actually a top 10 fighter after his win over Liakhovich not too long ago, and Foreman deserved a decision over him at 48.

I agree there isn't much of a difference, but that's hardly a time gap you posted.

That was only 12 years and it's fair to say Foreman did get his ass kicked by the real HW champ.

I wouldn't give Jack Johnson a chance in hell against Evander Holyfield. I wouldn't even give Dempsey much of a chance.

[r.burgundy]

I agree there isn't much of a difference, but that's hardly a time gap you posted.

That was only 12 years and it's fair to say Foreman did get his ass kicked by the real HW champ.

I wouldn't give Jack Johnson a chance in hell against Evander Holyfield. I wouldn't even give Dempsey much of a chance.

has the threadstarter posted the details on that jones jr vs hagler fight yet?im to lazy to check

[TheMagicMan]

has the threadstarter posted the details on that jones jr vs hagler fight yet?im to lazy to check

YOu do realize that Hagler fought A Roy Jones right? I never said RJJ. If you want to debate RJJ career with me, either his rap or boxing career I will, but I mean ive been an RJJ fan since they stole his gold medal in seul korea, lets look back at his whole career, cause you must have forgot. I know he didnt lose till march of 97 after giving a whoopin to montell griffin, late hit, his title they had to take it, why? Cause I guess thats the only way he could lose. 5 months later, rematch, he needed his crown, one punch and griffen sat down.

[r.burgundy]

YOu do realize that Hagler fought A Roy Jones right? I never said RJJ. If you want to debate RJJ career with me, either his rap or boxing career I will, but I mean ive been an RJJ fan since they stole his gold medal in seul korea, lets look back at his whole career, cause you must have forgot. I know he didnt lose till march of 97 after giving a whoopin to montell griffin, late hit, his title they had to take it, why? Cause I guess thats the only way he could lose. 5 months later, rematch, he needed his crown, one punch and griffen sat down.

lmao.dont try and cover by saying you never said rjj.just say you made a mistake.yea but anybody who is just a casual fan of boxing wouldnt mistake they guy hagler fought for the great roy jones jr.its the problem with living by boxrec

[TheMagicMan]

lmao.dont try and cover by saying you never said rjj.just say you made a mistake.yea but anybody who is just a casual fan of boxing wouldnt mistake they guy hagler fought for the great roy jones jr.its the problem with living by boxrec

Holy ****, in a thread titled The Magic Mans top 10 p4p ATG OF ALL TIME...youd think someone could handle a joke. Ive seen every fight RJJ fought, I never said RJJ,holy ****, it was a joke, wow . If I thought Hagler beat RJJ why would I have RJJ 5 spots ahead of him. That dont make no sense.

[boxing boy]

1. Todays fights arent rigged like past fights. Liston vs. Ali 2. Every fight Carnera fought...for example.

2. Plenty of fights unify and take over their division or multiple divisons. Wlad for example owns the HW division, takes on all challengers...literally all you have to do is challenge a Klitschko and agree to their terms and they will fight you if youre under 40.

3. Was Wepners knockdown of Ali ruled a knockdown? Yep. You lose.

Oh and as for taking on all comers, you mean like how ALi ducked a rematch wtih Foreman and Young? Yet wouldnt have had a career unless given a rematch by Norton and Joe.

Heres why less people in the U.S. box, want to know the main reason. Its called specialization. Back in the day guys like Marciano would play baseball or guys would play football and some track and also be boxers. Also tons of guys who worked construction or down at the docks would register as a pro and take the occassional bar room fight in order to pay for dinner some nights. Now adays, if you want to be a pro boxer you usually had a good amateur career, its all you do. You think Joe Calzaghe played soccer. Heck RJJ apparently was good at BBall, but he wasnt able to do the NBA and box. Guys specialize now, they specialize starting around 14, if not earlier.

Yes,Wepner's knockdown of Ali WAS RULED a knockdown.But that does not mean it was a knock down.I see you decided to do a little research and now don't count Wepner's knockdown of Ali a knockdown,but it was RULED a knockdown.This shows your a joke! This shows you don't know boxing history.This shows you never saw Wepner's knockdown of Ali,but earlier posted that Wepner knocked down Muhammad Ali using it as an example to downgrade Ali.Your a clown and a joke,and you keep proving it more and more with each post.

[TheMagicMan]

Yes,Wepner's knockdown of Ali WAS RULED a knockdown.But that does not mean it was a knock down.I see you decided to do a little research and now don't count Wepner's knockdown of Ali a knockdown,but it was RULED a knockdown.This shows your a joke! This shows you don't know boxing history.This shows you never saw Wepner's knockdown of Ali,but earlier posted that Wepner knocked down Muhammad Ali using it as an example to downgrade Ali.Your a clown and a joke,and you keep proving it more and more with each post.

Huh what the **** are you talking about. When did I ever say Wepner didnt knock Ali down? Of course he knocked Ali down. Ali got more gifts from refs and judges than anyone in history, he used to just pull fighters heads down and no one ever said a word about it. One judges card had Foreman not winning a round against Ali....a round...and then people wonder why he had to go all out? Cause he knew no judge was going to let him win that fight. Oh and Foreman was up at 9, so why was he counted out? If you think refs can be wrong and Wepner didnt knock Ali down...ok, but then Ali didnt beat Foreman.

[SBleeder]

Huh what the **** are you talking about. When did I ever say Wepner didnt knock Ali down? Of course he knocked Ali down. Ali got more gifts from refs and judges than anyone in history, he used to just pull fighters heads down and no one ever said a word about it. One judges card had Foreman not winning a round against Ali....a round...and then people wonder why he had to go all out? Cause he knew no judge was going to let him win that fight. Oh and Foreman was up at 9, so why was he counted out? If you think refs can be wrong and Wepner didnt knock Ali down...ok, but then Ali didnt beat Foreman.

If you want to talk about unfair advantages in a title fight, perhaps you should start with the fact that Foreman-Ali was fought in a 16'x16' broom closet.

[TheMagicMan]

If you want to talk about unfair advantages in a title fight, perhaps you should start with the fact that Foreman-Ali was fought in a 16'x16' broom closet.

That helped Ali out, he wasnt dancing that fight, he wanted it in a small ring. Foreman felt like he accomplished something when he cut off the ring...he was probably the 3rd best in history at doing that (behind the Klitschko warriors). It made Foreman way over confident in situations. If the ring was bigger, ALi would have tired running from Foreman, instead he laid on the illegally loosened ropes, clinched, pulled down on Foremans head, head butted, wrestled, did everything but box. And somehow foreman didnt win a round? That shows you what judges were like back then.

[boxing boy]

1. Todays fights arent rigged like past fights. Liston vs. Ali 2. Every fight Carnera fought...for example.

2. Plenty of fights unify and take over their division or multiple divisons. Wlad for example owns the HW division, takes on all challengers...literally all you have to do is challenge a Klitschko and agree to their terms and they will fight you if youre under 40.

3. Was Wepners knockdown of Ali ruled a knockdown? Yep. You lose.

Oh and as for taking on all comers, you mean like how ALi ducked a rematch wtih Foreman and Young? Yet wouldnt have had a career unless given a rematch by Norton and Joe.

Heres why less people in the U.S. box, want to know the main reason. Its called specialization. Back in the day guys like Marciano would play baseball or guys would play football and some track and also be boxers. Also tons of guys who worked construction or down at the docks would register as a pro and take the occassional bar room fight in order to pay for dinner some nights. Now adays, if you want to be a pro boxer you usually had a good amateur career, its all you do. You think Joe Calzaghe played soccer. Heck RJJ apparently was good at BBall, but he wasnt able to do the NBA and box. Guys specialize now, they specialize starting around 14, if not earlier.

Muhammad Ali ducked a rematch with Foreman and Jimmy Young?

Boyyyy,where have you been the last 35 years? This proves how big of a joke you are!

Muhammad Ali wanted a rematch with Jimmy Young and called him out! He wanted to make up for his bad showing in the first fight when he hardly trained and came in a career high at the time of 230lbs.Muhammad Ali had already agreed to fight Norton in September of 1976 BEFORE his fight with Jimmy Young in early 1976.That was the fight everybody wanted to see-Muhammad Ali vs Ken Norton in 1976.After that fight Ali was deciding to retire.When he decided not to retire the big fight everybody wanted to see was George Foreman vs Muhammad Ali in 1977 and Ali was calling out Foreman! But Jimmy Young beat Ali to the punch and signed to fight Foreman,and went on to beat him in 1977.Meanwhile everybody wanted to see a FOURTH fight between Ali and Ken Norton.But Ali was getting ready to retire,but decided to fight the winner of Ken Norton and Jimmy Young,while he took on Ernie Shavers.Ali beat Shavers and Norton beat Young in a very close fight.So Ali decided to fight BOTH Jimmy Young and Ken Norton! And made this well known!! Well,his tune-up fight with Leon Spinks ruined everything,and Ali beat Spinks in a rematch before retiring.

George Foreman was devastated and bewildered after getting KO'd by Muhammad Ali.He was in despair and deep depression.He went into hiding after his SHOCKING loss to Muhammad Ali.He put on about 40 lbs and was not working out.He was not mentally or physically fit to fight anybody,let alone Muhammad Ali.He did not fight for 15 months after his shocking loss to Muhammad Ali!! In the mean time Muhammad Ali was fighting and defending his title against Ron Lyle,Joe Bugner,and Joe Frazier.He also fought a tune-up against Chuck Wepner.All of this time Foreman was not fighting!! He was in deep depression and not even training.Muhammad Ali would have easily beat and KO'd this out of shape and over weight George Foreman!! If you knew anything about boxing history and did a little research you would have known about all of this.But your a joke! Muhammad Ali did not duck or avoid a rematch with George Foreman you idiot.

This shows what a joke and moron you are!! If you did a little research you would know Muhammad Ali did not ovoid a rematch with George Foreman or Jimmy Young.Your more of a joke than i thought you were!! Please get your facts straight before posting and showing everybody what a fool you are!