Whitaker vs Ramirez 1

[QueensburyRules]

Lmao....I was never a fan of Whitakers style, or his personality. That doesn't stop me from recognizing his talent and greatness.

Funny how you failed to address Whitaker outboxing Chavez more conclusively than Randall. You like to skip over facts that don't suit your agenda, huh troll?

- - Not so funny, but rather pathetic that U don't understand most judges don't score clowns highly. It seems to bother U that Randall got the well deserved accolades.

Pea had Chavez circling the drain after a long, hard career, but instead of sealing the deal, he clowns. Worse, he clowns him in his home environs. Had Pea KOed Chavez, Mexicans would've adopted him as their own. But he's a clown first, and fighter 2nd, and lucky enough to have abundant natural talent to coast with clowning against inferior comp.

His best fight was Mayweather where he showed animosity in the ring and whooped him, and even then late he got clocked and almost got KOed.

[JAB5239]

- - Not so funny, but rather pathetic that U don't understand most judges don't score clowns highly. It seems to bother U that Randall got the well deserved accolades.

Pea had Chavez circling the drain after a long, hard career, but instead of sealing the deal, he clowns. Worse, he clowns him in his home environs. Had Pea KOed Chavez, Mexicans would've adopted him as their own. But he's a clown first, and fighter 2nd, and lucky enough to have abundant natural talent to coast with clowning against inferior comp.

His best fight was Mayweather where he showed animosity in the ring and whooped him, and even then late he got clocked and almost got KOed.

Since when do you speak for most judges? It's pretty obvious for most to see Pea outboxed him easily. If this were a fighter you liked you would undoubtedly be calling this a Don King screw job.

And no, I'm not mad at Randall at all. But let's be honest, Whitaker had already exposed and easily defeated Chavez only to be screwed. Its why its considered one of boxings biggest robberies.

[QueensburyRules]

Since when do you speak for most judges? It's pretty obvious for most to see Pea outboxed him easily. If this were a fighter you liked you would undoubtedly be calling this a Don King screw job.

And no, I'm not mad at Randall at all. But let's be honest, Whitaker had already exposed and easily defeated Chavez only to be screwed. Its why its considered one of boxings biggest robberies.

- - Nah, not as simpleton as U.

It's carved in stone that anytime a slugger fails to knock out his opponent or brutalize him beyond recognition, ie Taylor in both cases, the slugger usually won't get the decision.

Hence Duva and Pea waited out the long game before challenging the crumbling Chavez approaching 90 fights, but he refused to go quietly and put up enough fight in the slack of Pea's clowning when the red meat Chavez fans wanted to see a fight, not a circus act.

Was U a clown in U career? El Maromero?

[JAB5239]

- - Nah, not as simpleton as U.

It's carved in stone that anytime a slugger fails to knock out his opponent or brutalize him beyond recognition, ie Taylor in both cases, the slugger usually won't get the decision.

Hence Duva and Pea waited out the long game before challenging the crumbling Chavez approaching 90 fights, but he refused to go quietly and put up enough fight in the slack of Pea's clowning when the red meat Chavez fans wanted to see a fight, not a circus act.

Was U a clown in U career? El Maromero?

So show me proof the "slugger" usually doesn't get the decision. If you can, and that's a big if, I will show you as many times as the so called slugger did get a decision.

You aren't very bright nor very knowledgeable. Chavez was a year and a half older than Whitaker. He began his career in February 1980 and had 87 professional fights and 13 amateur fights before that. Whitaker started his career in November of 1984 and had 33 professional fights and 214 amateur fights. Do you need me to help you with the math?

In 1988 when Chavez was champ ND Whitaker was rated number 1 JCC was fighting
A guy Whitaker already beat and a fighter who's best days were in the mid 70's. In 1989 Chavez fights another guy Whitaker already beat and a handful of nobodies while Whitaker wins the IBF title and beats Ramirez officially. Do you want to keep going through their resumes and show me how Chavez was a "crumbling" fighter by the time Pea masterfully outboxed him? Was it the incredible wars he had? Did he fight a who's who of great fighters leading up to Pernell while Whitaker fought nobodies? Because the math isn't adding up. Whitaker fought more fights up until that point and just as good competition.

So stop acting like a child. Chavez got whooped and he knew it. He got outboxed by Taylor as well in their first fight, only Taylor made the mistake of standing in front of Chavez and trading which ultimately cost him the fight, and his health.

Lmao......Chavez was crumbling while Whitaker had more than twice as many fights. BRILLIANT!!!

[QueensburyRules]

So show me proof the "slugger" usually doesn't get the decision. If you can, and that's a big if, I will show you as many times as the so called slugger did get a decision.

You aren't very bright nor very knowledgeable. Chavez was a year and a half older than Whitaker. He began his career in February 1980 and had 87 professional fights and 13 amateur fights before that. Whitaker started his career in November of 1984 and had 33 professional fights and 214 amateur fights. Do you need me to help you with the math?

In 1988 when Chavez was champ ND Whitaker was rated number 1 JCC was fighting
A guy Whitaker already beat and a fighter who's best days were in the mid 70's. In 1989 Chavez fights another guy Whitaker already beat and a handful of nobodies while Whitaker wins the IBF title and beats Ramirez officially. Do you want to keep going through their resumes and show me how Chavez was a "crumbling" fighter by the time Pea masterfully outboxed him? Was it the incredible wars he had? Did he fight a who's who of great fighters leading up to Pernell while Whitaker fought nobodies? Because the math isn't adding up. Whitaker fought more fights up until that point and just as good competition.

So stop acting like a child. Chavez got whooped and he knew it. He got outboxed by Taylor as well in their first fight, only Taylor made the mistake of standing in front of Chavez and trading which ultimately cost him the fight, and his health.

Lmao......Chavez was crumbling while Whitaker had more than twice as many fights. BRILLIANT!!!

- - Nobody doubts Pea superior Ama boxing in headgear in 3 rd fights any more than they doubt the sheer level of U idiocy.

Like Canelo who started even earlier, JC age 17 made his debut to contribute to the well being of his family. Pea pro debut age 20.

JC 115 fights/Pea 46 = 2.5 x more fights

JC 634 rd/Pea 379 rd = 1.67 x more rds

JC 85 KO/Pea 17 KO = 5 x more KOs

Bukos more title fights and defenses and a national hero and landmark to his people.

Pea, pretty much squandered his talents assisted by dummy Duva, but hay being for horses and U being a tomato can, Pea U poster boy.

Serious question. Pea run over by a vehicle @10PM at the intersection of Northampton Boulevard and Baker Road in ******ia Beach, so what were the dubious circumstances resulting in that tragedy?

[JAB5239]

- - Nobody doubts Pea superior Ama boxing in headgear in 3 rd fights any more than they doubt the sheer level of U idiocy.

Like Canelo who started even earlier, JC age 17 made his debut to contribute to the well being of his family. Pea pro debut age 20.

JC 115 fights/Pea 46 = 2.5 x more fights

JC 634 rd/Pea 379 rd = 1.67 x more rds

JC 85 KO/Pea 17 KO = 5 x more KOs

Bukos more title fights and defenses and a national hero and landmark to his people.

Pea, pretty much squandered his talents assisted by dummy Duva, but hay being for horses and U being a tomato can, Pea U poster boy.

Serious question. Pea run over by a vehicle @10PM at the intersection of Northampton Boulevard and Baker Road in ******ia Beach, so what were the dubious circumstances resulting in that tragedy?

You talk about a "sheer level of idiocy" yet you completely missed the point and have shown neither sluggers usually don't get the decision nor how Chavez was "crumbling" by the time Whitaker fought him. My point with the comparison between amateur and pro fights was that Whitaker had more miles on him than Chavez at the time they fought. Chavez was the number one p4p fighters in the world. Does that sound like a man the was "crumbling"?

He was thoroughly outboxed by Pernell. Some of the early rounds were close. The difference was Pea's double jab to not allow Julio to get set to throw his punches, and the fact he kept his right foot on the outside of JCC's left foot most of the fight. The fact that Whitaker kept firing punches while moving away from Chavez's punches was also a major contributor to why JC superstar failed to win. These things are the reason JCC lost. Whitaker kept him off balance and turning to Chavez could not set up or sit down on his combinations. He had the left hook taken away and was reduced to throwing lead rights much of the fights. Watch any Chavez win and you will see him break his opponent down with combinations and bodywork. He couldn't do that against Whitaker which is why he lost so badly in the opinions of near everyone who watches boxing g.

[QueensburyRules]

You talk about a "sheer level of idiocy" yet you completely missed the point and have shown neither sluggers usually don't get the decision nor how Chavez was "crumbling" by the time Whitaker fought him. My point with the comparison between amateur and pro fights was that Whitaker had more miles on him than Chavez at the time they fought. Chavez was the number one p4p fighters in the world. Does that sound like a man the was "crumbling"?

He was thoroughly outboxed by Pernell. Some of the early rounds were close. The difference was Pea's double jab to not allow Julio to get set to throw his punches, and the fact he kept his right foot on the outside of JCC's left foot most of the fight. The fact that Whitaker kept firing punches while moving away from Chavez's punches was also a major contributor to why JC superstar failed to win. These things are the reason JCC lost. Whitaker kept him off balance and turning to Chavez could not set up or sit down on his combinations. He had the left hook taken away and was reduced to throwing lead rights much of the fights. Watch any Chavez win and you will see him break his opponent down with combinations and bodywork. He couldn't do that against Whitaker which is why he lost so badly in the opinions of near everyone who watches boxing g.

- - So, U claim nearly everyone as dumb as U now is it?

By performances JC was crumbling, but he hadn't been beat yet. Pea made sure he kept his streak going, so if fell on Randall to do a number on JC in a much more satisfying fight for the people.

[JAB5239]

- - So, U claim nearly everyone as dumb as U now is it?

By performances JC was crumbling, but he hadn't been beat yet. Pea made sure he kept his streak going, so if fell on Randall to do a number on JC in a much more satisfying fight for the people.

No, I claim not everyone is a dumb as you. But here is your chance to back up your position and show us all how bright you really are!!! By performances, before Whitaker, which fights was he "crumbling" in?

Stay tuned folks, Queenie is about to masterfully duck this question with insults and misdirection. Bank on it!!

[QueensburyRules]

No, I claim not everyone is a dumb as you. But here is your chance to back up your position and show us all how bright you really are!!! By performances, before Whitaker, which fights was he "crumbling" in?

Stay tuned folks, Queenie is about to masterfully duck this question with insults and misdirection. Bank on it!!

- - Given Ramirez whooped the panty hose off Pea and used it to strangulate Duva, it's no surprise Pea was never up to the task of dethroning a much greater fighter than JC

All U do is beat U stoopid into the ground.

[JAB5239]

- - Given Ramirez whooped the panty hose off Pea and used it to strangulate Duva, it's no surprise Pea was never up to the task of dethroning a much greater fighter than JC

All U do is beat stoopid into the ground.

*misdirection*

I knew you wouldn't back up your BS.

How is that dirt tasting? I mean you did say all i do is beat ****** into the ground, right?