What would Prime Tyson vs Prime Tua be like?

[Toney616]

Well , I did , and I stated it was H2H .
You will probably base your list upon charisma and personal charm.

Your list:

1. Vitali Klitschko
2. George Foreman
3. Mike Tyson
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Lennox Lewis
6. Larry Holmes
7. Wladimir Klitschko
8. Oliver McCall
9. David Tua
10. Evander Holyfield

Tua:
Defense:
Minimum head movement,weak defensively, tends to carry his arms low, very easy to hit
Offense:
Tends to throw two punches, which are right and left hooks. Mainly throws single hooks, but sometimes puts them together for a 2-3 punch combo
Footspeed:
Average

This guy will get shut down by any hw who could beat Tyson, or carry out some form of stretegy similar to Holyfield during the Tyson fights.

Basic Strategy:
They could use the jab to break Tua's rhythm and make him pay a price every time he tries to close the gap, coupled with footwork, they could keep the fight at long range. and work power shots like straight rights/right hooks off the jab

When Tua gets mid range, they could protect their head with their right hand to block the incoming Tua left hook and counter him with a left hook.

Tie him up on the inside, to stop him from working their body

Guys I would favor to beat him:
Ali, Holmes, Ike, Byrd, Witherspoon, Lewis, Liston, Foreman, Wlad, Vitali, Douglas, Holyfield, Tyson, Tucker, Bowe, Ruddock

And you have this guy within your top 10?

Guys I would favor to beat Tyson:
Ali, Holmes, Liston, Foreman, Witherspoon, Bowe, Holyfield (maybe)

And you have this guy within your top 3?

[Toney616]

But stopped Eubank instead of being stopped

Off topic:
Was that the same Eubank that was pleading with the ref to give him another round? The stoppage was a tko, not a ko. It was stopped due to the fact that one of Eubanks eyes had swollen shut (Eubank didn't give himself enough time to recover after their first fight)

Eubank also could of stopped him in the first fight, but it was obvious that the ghosts of Watson fight was still in his head.
On topic
This debate has also gone far away from how a Tua-Tyson fight plays out, so I'm pretty much done with this thread

[GJC]

An exaggeration .
Only dumb fighters have a prime that short.

You seem to be confusing title reigns or undefeated streaks with being prime.
Hagler held the MW title from 80-87 so by your way of figuring primes you'd ignore 87 because he lost to Leonard and have him prime from 80 to 86?
The Hagler that beat Minter would beat the Hagler that beat Mugabi.
Nope i'll stick with 2 to 3 years you stick with your 10 year primes

[GJC]

The thing about it is even if Wlad just hit the end of his tenth years of his prime which suppose just ended then according to this the Puritty loss is still not included . So maybe he has already more than 10 years of prime , or maybe I just didn't consider the Wlad who lost to Puritty as prime , either way , you are wrong.

0k lets draw the line in the sand at today, so the Wlad with a prime that has lasted 10 years up to today lost to Brewster and Sanders when prime?

[frankenfrank]

0k lets draw the line in the sand at today, so the Wlad with a prime that has lasted 10 years up to today lost to Brewster and Sanders when prime?

Yes , Wlad lost to Sanders and Brewster in his prime , possibly to Puritty as well.
What are you trying to suggest now : that Wlad was green against Sanders and shot against Brewster ?

[frankenfrank]

Your list:

Tua:
Defense:
Minimum head movement,weak defensively, tends to carry his arms low, very easy to hit

Comes from someone who watched 3 Tua fights that one of them did not last 1 round.

Offense:
Tends to throw two punches, which are right and left hooks. Mainly throws single hooks, but sometimes puts them together for a 2-3 punch combo
Footspeed:
Average

This guy will get shut down by any hw who could beat Tyson, or carry out some form of stretegy similar to Holyfield during the Tyson fights.

Wrong. Neither Douglas nor Holyfield could do to Tua what they did to Tyson.
Holyfield would have been stopped by Tua , as for Douglas , I am less convinced but it could happen.

Basic Strategy:
They could use the jab to break Tua's rhythm and make him pay a price every time he tries to close the gap, coupled with footwork, they could keep the fight at long range. and work power shots like straight rights/right hooks off the jab

When Tua gets mid range, they could protect their head with their right hand to block the incoming Tua left hook and counter him with a left hook.

Tie him up on the inside, to stop him from working their body

Even in the rare occasions this strategy worked , it did not beat Tua , just carried its performer to the end of the twelfth round.
But against Tyson it yielded a KO.

Guys I would favor to beat him:
Ali, Holmes, Ike, Byrd, Witherspoon, Lewis, Liston, Foreman, Wlad, Vitali, Douglas, Holyfield, Tyson, Tucker, Bowe, Ruddock

Ali may have won a decision , Holmes could have been KO'd worse than he was against Tyson , or twice against the 5'10" whiteboy Nick Wells in the amateurs. True , in one out of three fights , he may have won an ugly points
decision like he usually did.
Ike and Byrd failed at beating Tua , they do deserve credit for their effort , however.
Lewis : the only one whom managed to do it , even if not very convincingly.
Liston : he would have been KOd by Tua .
Foreman , Wlad , Vitali , Bowe : yes , the may have beaten him similar to Lewis.
Douglas : somewhere between the Lewis case to the Ruiz/Moorer case.
Holyfield , Tyson : may have given him some trouble , but he would have caught them at this point or another.
Tucker : not sure at all , Tucker had troubles against Norris and Tyson , Tua may have actually won a decision against him.
Ruddock : would have been KO'd by Tua.

And you have this guy within your top 10?

Guys I would favor to beat Tyson:
Ali, Holmes, Liston, Foreman, Witherspoon, Bowe, Holyfield (maybe)

Ali and Holmes might have decisioned him .
Foreman is a small favorite to beat Tyson when both in their prime.
Liston and Witherspoon : would have been stopped by Tyson.
Bowe and Holyfield : maybe indeed , watch what a supposedly shot Tyson did to Golota , and then the fights against Bowe.
I favor Tyson to stop Holyfield prime 4 prime.

And you have this guy within your top 3?

What's the question 4 ? u quoted D answer already.

[GJC]

Yes , Wlad lost to Sanders and Brewster in his prime , possibly to Puritty as well.
What are you trying to suggest now : that Wlad was green against Sanders and shot against Brewster ?

I'm just pointing out that Wlad wasn't as good a fighter 5/6 years ago as he is now therefore not prime, but I guess the concept continues to elude you.
Prime isn't just a physical thing or an unbeaten thing.
One more try, do you think the Wlad of 2003/2004 would beat the Wlad of 5 years later?

[StarshipTrooper]

I'm just pointing out that Wlad wasn't as good a fighter 5/6 years ago as he is now therefore not prime, but I guess the concept continues to elude you.
Prime isn't just a physical thing or an unbeaten thing.
One more try, do you think the Wlad of 2003/2004 would beat the Wlad of 5 years later?

Almost at 3,000 posts there my man! :cool9:

Poet

[frankenfrank]

I'm just pointing out that Wlad wasn't as good a fighter 5/6 years ago as he is now therefore not prime, but I guess the concept continues to elude you.
Prime isn't just a physical thing or an unbeaten thing.
One more try, do you think the Wlad of 2003/2004 would beat the Wlad of 5 years later?

I don't know about this.
The Wlad of 2002 stopped Jameel McCline whom just came of an impressive 4 fights winning streak.

[GJC]

I don't know about this.
The Wlad of 2002 stopped Jameel McCline whom just came of an impressive 4 fights winning streak.

SRR beat Basilio in the fight of the year when he was 36 or 37 still didn't make him prime.
Well if he beat McCline.......,but you're the Wlad fan have it your way, he was prime and got his butt kicked by Brewster and Sanders.