What would Prime Tyson vs Prime Tua be like?

[frankenfrank]

"So why is it the only boxers that interest you are Muhammad Ali (who has much better defenders than you) and to a lesser extent Mike Tyson (again) ?"

answer the question:

where did I claim Mike Tyson interested me?

He now repeats it for the third time , after getting a straight answer .
Go back to trolling the NSB , MmuhammadM , you really ruined a good thread here.

[Vadrigar.]

He now repeats it for the third time , after getting a straight answer .
Go back to trolling the NSB , MmuhammadM , you really ruined a good thread here.

You ruined this thread. Not me.

I'm not the one who introduced the words "religion", "******" and "race" into this thread. That's what ruined the thread.

[Toney616]

As I said , defense alone , Byrd's was better .
But what can you do ? styles matter.

No it wasnt. Watch Tyson-Gross and Tyson-Green

As I said , I watched the entire fight twice.
Tua just failed to knock him out , and like in many other cases , the judges chose to give it to Byrd.

The judging criteria for scoring a fight is:
Ring generalship
Effective aggression
Clean punching

You will find that Byrd beat Tua in most of these catagories hence the reason for him winning the fight. Tua was just basically plodding after Byrd and when he caught up with him he struggled to land anything clean, hence non-effective aggression. Byrds punches werent hard but they were still clean punches. Byrd use of ring generalship was exceptional keeping the fight in the middle of the ring, using angles and manoeuvringsg off the ropes

As I said (again) Tua had 3 nice late stoppages , how many nice late stoppages does Tyson have ?

We were comparing Tua to Ruddock and now you changed it to comparing Tua to Tyson? Name one fighter during Tyson's prime who landed left hooks on him at will?

Tyson had trouble with Holyfield whom his only advantage against Tua is reach , but he never used his reach against Tyson and rarely used it in general. How would he fare against Tua whom hits harder and has a better punch resistance than Holyfield.

Tyson was past prime by then, he left Rooney in 1988 and had been in prison for 3.5 years. You have to focus on the Tyson from about Green to Spinks, which is the period when Tyson was considered to be prime.

Tyson managed to hit Holyfield but couldn't put him away and was stopped himself. Now imagine Tua with his better punching power and punch resistance .

Dude, you keep using bad examples to illustrate you point, when people talk about Tyson in his prime they are generally talking about the period when he was still with Rooney, not with Giachetti and Jay Bright

Holyfield fought a great technical fight in that fight as well and capitalised on Tysons flaws, something Ive never seen Tua do.

[frankenfrank]

Dude, I'm not a big fan of the hw's with the exception of a few fighters. Off that list I rate Ike and thats about it.

Rahman was basically a journeyman, who got lucky when he koed Lewis

And got lucky when he stopped Corrie Sanders , Jeff Wooden and ****y Ryann
, Terrence Lewis , Rob Calloway , Kali Meehan and Zuri Lawrence and decisioned Ross Puritty , Obed Sullivan , Marion Wilson , Monte Barrett and Alfred Cole , and drew with David Tua James Toney.
He should have filled the lottery instead of boxing. :yep:

Moorer was never any good at hw, dude got koed by a 45 year old

He just decisioned Holyfield , was the first (and yet the only) to stop Vassily Jirov , stopped an undefeated Francois Botha , decisioned an undefeated Vaughn Bean , outpointed Axel Schulz , decisioned James Smith , stopped Bert Cooper , stopped Alex Stewart and decisioned a 6'10" 275lbs Mike White (whom stopped James Douglas) a 14 moths after skipping the CW division in his way from 175lbs.

Ruiz is dreadful

but held a belt and was a top contender for a while.

Lewis is boring as hell

But is a top 10 all time HW.

Oleg Maskaev isnt very good either, and has never beaten any half decent fighter

So Jeff Wooden whom went the distance with Tua and Michael Grant is not even half decent.
Not to mention Hassim Rahman whom he stopped twice , your standards are a bit high , you know ?

The first Tyson Ruddock stoppage was garbage thats why they had a rematch- you should know that
Ruddock was never the same fighter after those wars with Tyson, as shown in his subsequent fights

Just because he had some late stoppages, doesn't mean he doesn't fade in fights. He was hyperventilating against Byrd from around round 7 onwards

So maybe he had a problem in that fight , but what about his late stoppages ?

And as you know he got up, as I said before the first stoppage against Tyson was garbage

Ruddock was never the same fighter after his two wars with Tyson, he had his cheekbone and jaw smashed during his second fight with Tyson.

Dude you cant be serious about bringing up Lewis's ko over Tyson, a shot fighter who basically quit after round 2.

Morrison could **** and was taking roids, and as I said before it Ruddock was never the same after Tyson II.

Tyson wasn't shot, but he was past prime post Rooney, which was when his technical prime ended. He was physically prime but not technically prime.

So he suddenly forgot how to fight ?

Tua caught him a number of time with bodyshots and on a least two occasions caught him with left hooks to the head

Byrd was basically in front of Tua the whole fight, his game plan was that he wanted to be in the centre of the ring, he never fled for his life as you said. As the fight wore of you can see Byrd's confidence rising as he was willing to trade with Tua at certain points

Don't you know anything about fighter's primes? A fighters prime is basically the period when a fighter is in their physical and technical prime at the same time. Post Rooney Tyson was post prime he stopped:

Jabbing
Bobbing and weaving
Slipping punches
Throwing combinations

He basically became a headnunter, throwing single punches. Tyson prime was basically the period from the Green fight to the Spinks fight. Post prison his heart was never in it anymore, he was just going through the motions to get paid.
Out of interest how many Tyson fights have you watched?

more than 10 pro fights of his , and then a few amateur fights as well.

How can you judge Tysons defense without watching a lot of his fights?

You just asked how many of his fights did I watch , so how did you know I haven't watched enough.

Tell me one fight during Tyson Prime when a fighter was able to land a lot of left hooks on Tyson?

(1) Almost every opponent of his during his prime especially was terrified of Tyson .
(2) None of Tyson's opponents had Tua's chin
(3) None of Tyson's opponents had Tua's power : Tua will not need a lot (of landed hooks), just a few.

Byrd never fled for his life, in fact in which rounds did he do it according to you?

I won't watch the entire fight at this moment just to reply this question.
Basically (the answer is) : when Tua came forward.

[frankenfrank]

You ruined this thread. Not me.

I'm not the one who introduced the words "religion", "******" and "race" into this thread. That's what ruined the thread.

Wrong again , you repeat your questions after getting answered for them.
And what should your avatar (not that I have a problem with it) suggest ?

[Vadrigar.]

Wrong again , you repeat your questions after getting answered for them.
And what should your avatar (not that I have a problem with it) suggest ?

My avatar has nothing to do with my posts on this thread.

[frankenfrank]

No it wasnt. Watch Tyson-Gross and Tyson-Green

So you figure Tyson's greatness of defense from these examples of his performance against nobodies ?

The judging criteria for scoring a fight is:
Ring generalship
Effective aggression
Clean punching

You will find that Byrd beat Tua in most of these catagories hence the reason for him winning the fight. Tua was just basically plodding after Byrd and when he caught up with him he struggled to land anything clean, hence non-effective aggression. Byrds punches werent hard but they were still clean punches. Byrd use of ring generalship was exceptional keeping the fight in the middle of the ring, using angles and manoeuvringsg off the ropes

We were comparing Tua to Ruddock and now you changed it to comparing Tua to Tyson? Name one fighter during Tyson's prime who landed left hooks on him at will?

Tyson was past prime by then, he left Rooney in 1988 and had been in prison for 3.5 years. You have to focus on the Tyson from about Green to Spinks, which is the period when Tyson was considered to be prime.

Dude, you keep using bad examples to illustrate you point, when people talk about Tyson in his prime they are generally talking about the period when he was still with Rooney, not with Giachetti and Jay Bright

Holyfield fought a great technical fight in that fight as well and capitalised on Tysons flaws, something Ive never seen Tua do.

So you like repeating the same things in 2 consecutive posts ?
I will feel satisfied by replying only once , even if you double post everything with slight changes in the essence.
Holyfield fought a dirty fight against Tyson butting and clinching when hurt.
A typical HW Holyfield fight.

[frankenfrank]

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[Vadrigar.]

My opinion about you as a poster stem from your overall post activity , not just your posts in this thread.

Once again, my avatar has nothing to do with my posts on this thread.

Do you accept this or deny it?

[frankenfrank]

Once again, my avatar has nothing to do with my posts on this thread.

Do you accept this or deny it?

deny. It has to do with your posts in this thread just like your posts in other threads have to do with your posts in this thread.
Hope you are able to read and understand what I write , but I know you have problems with understanding what you (barely) read.