What would Prime Tyson vs Prime Tua be like?

[The Iron Man]

If I could pick 6 guys to fight Tyson prime for prime, they'd be Foreman, Liston, Ibeabuchi, Tua, Holmes and Ali. The middle two mainly for the entertainment value, the outer 4 having the best chance of beating Mike.

Just out of interest mate, how do you see those fights going? no need to explain the results.I am always in two minds about Ibeabuchi, i mean he only really had two big fights to judge him on and they were decent opposition but we really didnt see enough of him. But then again he was soo impressive in those two fights and the amount of punches he threw per round was insane!

[Jim Jeffries]

Just out of interest mate, how do you see those fights going? no need to explain the results.I am always in two minds about Ibeabuchi, i mean he only really had two big fights to judge him on and they were decent opposition but we really didnt see enough of him. But then again he was soo impressive in those two fights and the amount of punches he threw per round was insane!

I think Liston and Foreman knock him out, Holmes and Ali win by decision. I think Tyson beats Tua by decision or mid round KO (as he had very few late) and I'm not really sure about Ibeabuchi. Like you say there's not a lot of film on him against elite opposition, but I definitely think he gives Mike a run for his money.

[frankenfrank]

another ******ed responce from frankenfrank.

Well done. (sarcasm)

Do you still have doubts about my posts ?
But sometimes you do manage to read , don't you ?

[frankenfrank]

Mike tyson blasts tua in 1rd are you crazy tua has never
in his life been on that level the only person he fought
was lewis would not supprise me if monte ko's em
he is a little fat boy

Idiot post of the day (currently).
But MmuhammadM will soon answer my post , so he might surpass it.

[frankenfrank]

Lesser fighters have held Tua to close decisions by using movement, hard for me to see a higher class fighter not being able to beat Tua by using the right tactics.

What is beating for you ? the Chris Byrd performance ?
the Jeff Wooden performance ?

[Silencers]

What is beating for you ? the Chris Byrd performance ?
the Jeff Wooden performance ?

I said lesser fighters have been able to hold Tua to close decisions and have been able to make Tua look bad with the right tactics, with movement being an integral part of it, Tua doesn't let his hands go when he has a mover in front of him and resorts to plodding around. It has always been the case and is still the case now. If lesser guys can make Tua look bad, I would expect better fighters would be able to beat him.

[Vadrigar.]

Do you still have doubts about my posts ?
But sometimes you do manage to read , don't you ?

I think it's you that have doubts. I'm not the one who bought religion into this. I can show you your quote again if you want me to, ******.

[Toney616]

My evidence is Tua's fights , watch them.

No point, he never fought any one I rated, except Byrd

Ruddocks' chin and stamina were nowhere near Tua's , and he hit weaker than Tua , compare Tua's KOs to Ruddock's and get it clear.

The only guys worth mentioning that Tua koed are:
Moorer
Ruiz
Rahman

The only guys worth mentioning that Ruddock koed are:
James Smith
Michael Dokes

Based on this I cant see how a case can be made that Tua hit harder, than the much bigger Ruddock. Ruddock has a solid chin as well, as shown in both of his fights with Tyson
As for stamina Ruddock faded in fights like Tua did, round 8 of Tua-Byrd comes to mind

Ruddock was on the back foot for most of the time against an aged James Smith , [b]Ruddock himself was aware of his not so good chin and power combination..[b]

Ruddock constanty got up after being kd by Tyson, I would say he had a solid chin

Tua could take Tyson's punches and then end the fight with a single well placed bomb.

Tyson was never koed in his prime, but his now going to get koed with one punch from Tua? The same Tua who landed flush on Byrd with head shots and body shots and couldn't hurt Byrd? Byrd had so little respect for Tua that he stood in front of him and started trading with him from rounds 8 onwards.

Tyson's defense was good during his offense which is why he was better offensively than Byrd, but defense alone , Byrd's was better.

Thats a bold statement to make
Against Tua, Byrd blocked and rolled with punches. Tyson bobbed and weaved and slipped punches, I would say that he was just as good as Byrd.

The thing is effective offense spares punishment from the offender , so it sometimes can be seen as defense.

Watch round 8 of Tyson-Green, where Tyson slips all of Green's punches. The punches that bothered Tyson were the Jab and the uppercut. He was quite adept at slipping hooks, which are Tua's main punches.

Byrd fled for his life the entire fight and did not beat Tua like the scorecards mean for some

No he didnt, watch Tua-Byrd from rounds 8-12, and you will see that Byrd stood in front of Tua and even had Tua backing up at times, see end of round 8.

and Tyson fought nothing like Byrd did

Im talking about defense, not overall boxing style

When was the last time Tyson ran for his life ?

Neither did Byrd, who schooled Tua, he basically nullified Tua's right hook with his left glove.

[Toney616]

I do consider Tyson a moderate favorite against Lewis prime for prime.

You were talking about Tyson only being one year younger than Lewis (when they fought), not prime for prime

Again, it is the 2nd time you claim exactly the same thing in 2 consecutive posts in the same thread , Tyson fought nothing like Byrd.

I never said they fought alike, I'm talking about the quality of their defense.

Byrd fled for his life and never won against Tua

Do you call this fleeing for his life? Go to 0:58

Tyson would have tried to fight fire with fire and would have gotten stopped because of it against a fighter with greater punch resistance, punching power and stamina than himself.

And you base this on what exactly?
Tua's main punches were the right and left hook. Tyson was adept at slipping both of those punches. He also would of been countering Tua as well

[Calilloyd]

Tua has never fought someone as fast, strong, powerful and elusive as a prime Tyson. He's to stationary and one hand and standing in front of Mike isn't going to get you the win. Tyson would be battering Tua with the ref waiving the fight off similar to the first Ruddock fight where the stoppage may have been a bit premature, but who the better fighter was was very obvious.

That was the best analysis I've seen for this fight.